Joshua Munday Patches

[Loonyk]

I tried them too. They were really loud & distorted on my end as well and my input gain is set at 0 and I used a couple of guitars with low output pick-ups. Also they were drowned in reverb. I guess they work for him though because the demo sounded good. As said before here, demo's can really be deceiving and what works for one player may not work for another. Another thing I noticed is that some of his patches use the pitch shifter to down tune to Eb. In those patches I am getting a weird sound almost like the uni-vibe is on or some kind of vibrato sound. I wish Boss could sort that out cos' most other modelers now do that pretty well. I think that is my only gripe about the GT-10 is that one thing. It just so happens though that I don't need to be in Eb for the gig I am using the GT-100 for so I don't miss it at all.

Wasn't Joshua using a Roland VG Strat for those demo's?? If so that's why you didn't hear any warbling on the demos. That VG Strat is amazing. Have you check out Pete Thorn's demo of it?? G.A S. .. . .

Well the my answer is(My own opignion):

Those new electric guitar by Roland and Fender have the cosm in there... so it like if you plug something in front of the GT-100 and use some FX before going thru the GT-100.

well you have to RE-Create Joshua wining situation to use those patches.

[mixmkr]

It's odd, because the patches work just fine for me. I noticed that some volumes needed tweaking but the sound with my Amer standard Strat was right on the money. BY THEMSELVES the patches sounded like they'd be different. Lots of FX. But I played along with the demo, and they sounded almost identical to the sounds he was getting.
As good as they were, I'm finding that patches have alot to do with the player and they way they play as well. I won't be using any of the patches, but count it as a learning experience. The Satisfaction, Wipe out.... all sounded JUST like Josh's... but I'll never use those sounds.

Weird some people are getting distortion, etc. The lead patches and EVH patches really were loud and the Roxanne, was VERY low in volume. The Message in a Bottle had the harmonizer which sounded aweful on its' own. But playing along, all the nasty artifacts seemed to disappear with the harmonizer FX.

This has been discussed before, but I think it's really the player. The really GOOD players aren't limited by equipment and make just about any setup sound good. The "so so" players are looking for magic with preset sounds, but if they can't adapt with their playing, the presets can't help. I've seen the same with the HD500, AxeFX, etc.. the good players make those units just shine... but there's a lot of garbage on YouTube as well. Noticed even Rob Marcello only plays his 80's "shred" sounds. That's his expertise. He can't sound like Jack Thammerat. He doesn't know how .... and visa versa.

[mmm]

Here's my $.02 on the levels and distortion. As stated elsewhere I find that using my beyer-dynamic headphones that the tones tend to translate very well over to my KC-550. I tested these out via my headphones and they were loud and distorted, until I turned the output level down 1/4 of a turn from 1 o clock to about 9:30 or so (if you follow). Presto! The patches cleaned up pretty nicely and some of 'em sounded decent. Keep in mind, I was using my Strat with a Dimarzio Fast Track 1 in the bridge (the output is a bit hotter than an typical overwound strat pickup, but the tonal profile is similar to a normal strat p'up).

So, it's obvious that Mr Munday doesn't follow the patch making conventions that many of us here at GTC cling to. His patch levels were typically well past 100, its certain that he's nowhere even remotely close to unity gain, and if I had to guess it's likely that he compensates by turning down the master output on the front panel

But (<---- that's a really big but) he still managed to make his tones sound good with the gear that he had to use (the gear that more than likely he was paid to use by boss/Roland)

Which brings me to a point that I've been wanting to make for weeks, but I haven't had the time. About 9 months ago I started playing with my gt8 again. Since I had changed out pickups and Much of the hardware on my strat I decided to re-make my main bank. I dont remember why but I made a lot of decisions that broke the rules that I had used so often in the past and had gotten results that I was happy with. I didn't get "Munday" crazy, but in tuner bypass you could tell that I was too loud for unity gain. The results were 4 of the best patches I ever made on the '8!

Now, I'm not saying that anybody should throw out the rules and just twist knobs willy-nilly. many of these rules were written by people using differnt units, and who knows what kind of amplification (in other words, frfr, tube, solid state, 4cm ...). Early on when I started playing guitar I was reading a guitar magazine and I saw a quote that stuck with me (don't remember who said it): "you've got to know the rules before you can break them".

With the gt-100 I've been using a similar approach to those last patches I made on the '8. I'm mindful of the rules, but I'm not afraid to break them if it sounds good. My patches are louder than unity gain, and I set my input sensitivity to my #1 (-3 for my strat) but I don't really worry about it when I plug in my #2 (a 2 HB Godin that should be set at -12 if you go by the book). Keep in mind that I don't play crystal clear cleans, and lately it's been a lot of gain for me lately (especially with the Godin) so Your mileage may vary.

Food for thought at least.

[mixmkr]

Yeah...I agree MMM... I also can't explain why some people's are so overloaded...even with turning down. I usually run my patches pretty hot too. To the point that if I hit an old Boss preset, it's actually waaay too low in volume. I've tried turning all mine down, so I can "half relate" to the presets, but I've found with "hot" patches, they end up sounding best [for me] for some reason.

Tried as hard as I can, I still can't match Jack Thammarant's sound, which I happen to like. And...I'm 59 yrs old and started playing around 10 yrs old..so I've played a couple years. But Jack has a talant that HE can get that sound. And if you noticed, he gets basically the same [Jeff Beck-ish] sound with all his different setups and even his cheapie Squire Strat. It's the player, not the gear.

Again, why some have overloaded patches will be a mystery someday we'll stumble upon. Probably some goofball at the AuRoland site "mucked" with the sounds, since they were getting posted, did so AFTER they were posted, and then CHANGED the patches, put them back up on the site... and now they'll all overloaded. Probably not, but there's got to be some reason, just for the fact that they were OK for me. BUT, I might have been one of the earlier downloaders, as I checked DAILY on that site (it was in my favs), and the day they where there, I nabbed 'em. <--- wild idea that's just a goofy guess!!

[Ricig]

Sorry, just jumping in on the patch level settings. The number 1 reason one raises the patch level parameter is to bring the volume back up after making cuts with the Master EQ. All other things equal, that is the textbook use of the patch level parameter. Another reason would be to attenuate the volume of the chorus or other effects which add one or more "voices" to the signal which also adds volume. My guess is that this is why Mr. Munday's patches have a relatively higher setting. I don't think there is any magic in a high setting meaning better tone. patch level is just a simple linear, digital multiplier that just increases the output. My last thought was that he probably adds volume for recording purposes, because left at it's default, the recording volume output from the GT-100 is relatively low. Again, I think patch level does nothing more than level control and is helpful for all these reasons and to balance the volumes across patches. Just my 2 cents as well.

[mmm]

I'm not really suggesting any magic. I just wanted to point out that I started making better patches when I stopped worrying so much about things like unity gain across all effect modules and the impact of a few dBs of input sensitivity. I can appreciate the fact that for others, given their rigs, playing style, picking attack, and other variables - that those parameter guidelines can be very important. (I'm sure somebody with an English degree can do much better with that last sentance, but that's the best I can do at the moment )

[Ricig]

+1 mmm. My fault for jumping in without digesting the whole discussion. Great points - worrying less about the finer points can keep us from stumbling over ourselves (which I tend to do a lot).

[videorov]

I think it's here http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/product...ls.aspx?p=1187 and it's under the medley patches. I downloaded them and had a look and they seem to be the ones

Cool. Glad they work things out and got the patches out.