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Thread: The GT 10 as synthesizer: a practical guide. Introduction.

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    Hi all,

    due to public demand (2 users!) I try to present the GT 10 in a way you may not have looked at it before: as a fully functional synthesizer you can actually work with. And when I say "work" I mean it: When I wrote the "bell simulation" patch I was able to administer the theoretical basics 1:1 to the GT 10, and it worked almost perfectly. The GT 10 offers more features than many cheap synths, and the sounds can get quite amazing.

    So this goes to the more "adventurous" guitar player, who just WANTS or NEEDS sounds which transcend the normal guitar spectrum - usually the realm of keyboard players. But you can do much with the GT 10, and you can even do it live. CAVEAT: It won't really work well with a guitar amp, IMO. You need to go direct/use a FRFR. You can try it with a normal amp, but you will most likely be disappointed.

    For those who wonder what this blabbing is all about, I have a soundpage on my website with some examples and also with my contributions to the "Gather Thy GT And Play For Me" series (kudos to Ricig for this great idea):
    http://www.neoklast.de/die-musiker/a...usik_alex.html

    You can also hear these kind of sounds on my band NEOKLAST's two CDs, which are completely online:
    http://www.neoklast.de/neoklast-cd/s...ite-vol-1.html (listen to "Uranus" for a tour de force of GT 10 lead synth sounds)
    http://www.neoklast.de/neoklast-cd/s...ite-vol-2.html

    I think it is better to split the topic into individual threads, because
    a) a search will bring up all threads like a table of contents
    b) we can discuss parts without interrupting the series
    c) we can easily cross-reference
    d) you don't spend much time with searching, since the basic information is in the very first post of each thread

    So I am going to start with an

    INTRODUCTION

    In the very first sentence I wrote "I try to present the GT 10 in a way you may not have looked at it before". WTF?? And why would I do this? Why would anyone be interested in a different view? Because I (and others as well) think that the GT 10 is deeply underrated. It has mainly been marketed as a tool for rock guitarists - see for yourself:
    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...ch_query=gt+10

    You won't find much outside the rock mainstream - despite the fact that the GT 10 has much more to offer. And while the majority of players stay in the rock vein, there are quite a few who like to experiment, who like to come up with something different. Now, as anyone will agree, the GT 10 *is* a complex machine, and if you want to go experimental with it on a trial-and-error base, you will get some ugly sci-fi sounds, and that's it. Nothing against ugly sci-fi sounds - I love them. But you can't use them all the time, and if you *need* a certain sound like a "bell" or a "church organ" you are lost if you want to construct it by trial and error. So you need to know two things:

    1) how to construct sounds
    2) how to translate that for the GT 10

    And this is what this series will be about.

    It will take a while, because I want to make it fun to read, and I want to provide practical, real-world examples. So far, the (planned)

    Table of Contents

    EDIT: Added "Useful links" as article number XI - already available!

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    Q: I don't get it. Why all this hullaballoo? Why don't you simply buy a guitar synth?
    A: I have a guitar synth. Nevertheless, it is fun to work with the GT 10, and you actually can do things you can't do on most guitar synths. And: It is damn easy to transport and set up, and it is almost idiot-proof. So, if you want it all in one easy-to-handle box, the GT 10 is your choice.

    Q: Why don't you just leave that stuff to your keyboard player?
    A: I am a sound addict. I just *want* to play that by myself. And I like to scare keybord players

    Q: What about all those crazy acronyms like ADSR/VCO/VCF ... do I really need to know what that means?
    A: If you want to play synthesizer, talk synthesizer. Once you understand what it means and what it does, you can transfer this knowledge to whatever you have at hand. E.g. you can use the GT 10's EQ like a VCF ("controlled filter") etc.. This enables you to use the full potential of all modules, not just the obvious ones, and effectively gives you much more possibilities.

    Q: But I am not interested in that friggin technical stuff!
    A: Don't read this thread. Click the BACK button in your browser.

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    Questions? Suggestions? Any wishes?

    Cheers,
    Alex
    Last edited by ikonoklast; 01-04-2010 at 11:41 AM. Reason: Changed Table of Contents
    "2 hours of try and error can save 10 minutes of manual reading"

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    Thank you for starting this thread ikonoklast. When I read that you were going to do this I was giddy as a little school girl. I want synth sounds for my cover band but I'm pretty much a synth idiot. I hope you can learn me good.

    Can elaborate on why this doesn't work well when using a guitar amp?
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    Using GT-100 live via 4CM to Mesa amp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ Slaughter View Post
    Can elaborate on why this doesn't work well when using a guitar amp?
    It's the frequency spectrum. Feed the amp with fat lows and it will break up, give it sizzling highs and it won't reproduce it. These limitations sure vary from amp to amp, so at least give it a try.

    Cheers,
    Alex
    "2 hours of try and error can save 10 minutes of manual reading"

    http://www.neoklast.de

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    Alex

    Im really looking forward to see how this develops. I'd never considered guitar synth before having a gt10 but it would be great to get some understanding of how to use it on the gt10.

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    I'm looking forward to it as well. I own a VG-88 and GR-33. I use the synth in tandem with my guitar rig, of which my GT-10 will be becoming a live component (in 4CM) very soon. So this thread, even if I use it only for educational purposes, will be very interesting. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonoklast View Post

    Questions? Suggestions? Any wishes?

    Cheers,
    Alex
    The best tutorial on synthesis that I ever read was the DX7 manual. If you could follow that format, it would be really useful to me.

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    Yeehaw!!! I'm on it Alex....me too wanting to learn these techniques of your buddy!!! This should be added to comrade jpys3 forthcoming documentation of GT10 EXCELLENCE !!!
    Roger

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    Hey,

    Great idea ikonoclast. This will be really useful! I love the wierd sounds that you can get from synth patches. Your expertise will help us to get the synth sounds that we need.Let's get synthing!

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    Hey Alex

    Really looking forward to this topic.
    I love to record stuff which has elements which are not your typical "guitar rock" stuff (think Porcupine Tree,King Crimson,Mike Oldfield etc)....more textural/ambient sounds.So I'm hoping to be able to borrow some ideas from you to help with that.

    Do you think some of the techniques you use would also work with my keyboard(which I put through the GT in order to record it onto computer)It has some nice "stock" sounds but is limited on how much you can edit those sounds....kinda hoping the "GT as a synth" might help get some interesting keyboard sounds too.

    cheers man
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    Quote Originally Posted by porcytree View Post
    I love to record stuff which has elements which are not your typical "guitar rock" stuff (think Porcupine Tree,King Crimson,Mike Oldfield etc)....more textural/ambient sounds.
    I played for 7 years in a "prog rock" band and that's exatly what I did - providing ambient sounds and textures. Too bad that I didn't have a GT 10 at that time ... I had a Roland GP 16, which is an nice machine, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by porcytree View Post
    Do you think some of the techniques you use would also work with my keyboard(which I put through the GT in order to record it onto computer)It has some nice "stock" sounds but is limited on how much you can edit those sounds....kinda hoping the "GT as a synth" might help get some interesting keyboard sounds too.
    Remember that the first Pink Floyd albums were done with simple FARFISA organs ...
    The GT 10 should provide enough means to spice it up.

    Cheers,
    Alex
    "2 hours of try and error can save 10 minutes of manual reading"

    http://www.neoklast.de

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