Pro Live

[millsmick]

Ive had my pro for about a month now,for recording it's the biz but I'm having problems in a live situation just can't seem to get lead and rhythum levels right, in one venue I added more bass only to find I got hollow boomy sound I then had to spend time completley re eq ing the patch. My previous system was all valve but to heavy to move in and out on gigs that was the main reason for getting the pro I now feel I have made a mistake don't get me wrong at home it sounds great but in different venues where the accoustics are'nt so warm it's a bitch to get a good meaty sound without a lot of time spent playing with the volume and eq system. I run my pro into a Messa boogie 50/50 valve to drive either a 4x12 or 2x12 cab so if anyone can help I'd appreciate your advice

[ASHJN]

Did you try adjusting the Global EQ for each venue?

[Evilution]

The other guitarplayer in my band and i who both use the GT-pro used it for the first time directly into the PA via the sub xlr out at a gig a week ago and it worked very well ,we just used the ordinary angeled floormonitors on stage for the guitars no guitar amps and such .

I used my AKG K270 studio headphones straight into the pro to set the sound of the patches and global and then at the venue i adjusted the global slightly at the soundcheck thats all.

[1923ford]

i too "USED" to run my GT-PRO through a valve power amp and guitar speakers (Mesa Boogie 20/20 or Randall RT2/50 into a 2x12 with V30 speakers), and noticed that it needed a lot of tweaking from place to place, and as you adjust even the volumes it changed the tones a little. I've recently switched to a keyboard amp and I'm having a much better time. One thing I realized about valve power amps is that they do have a different "FEEL" than using a KB amp or PA system...but the only person who gets a benefit of that "FEEL" is me while standing in front of my rig...the people in the audience really don't experience that. so by using a kb amp or PA system I "hear" and "feel" the same thing the audience does...plus I think a KB amp or PA is a little more consistent in terms of tone from night to night than a valve amp is.

basically, the valve power amp could sound good, maybe even better than a kb amp or PA...but it took much more time and tweaking from venue to venue...so i opted for something a little quicker and easier for me to setup.

[millsmick]

Thanks for your views on using the pro live, I play country rock and I need to use several patches on a gig, playing rock or blues would'nt be a problem but using different patches from clean to high gain is a bit of a nightmare. I start by setting master output using a clean rythum patch so that I'm at the right level in the mix, the moment I hit a lead patch it's either too loud or too quiet it's difficult to stop playing so that I can adjust level, easy for just clean and one lead channel but having to adjust levels on five or six patches does'nt make for an enjoyable gig, ok could get the foot controller but they are a few hundred quid and still won't solve the problem just add one. I really like this mechine but it's not fun to use live. Maybe I've got the wrong idea about using it live, Hope someone can put me on the right track. Thanks for your time

[ASHJN]

what foot controller are you using?

[Evilution]

1923ford ,I for one isnt really sure what makes the stack sound different than the keyboard amps and monitors,it could well be the speakers as much or more as the amp,and the fact that i use a 4x12 cab with guitarspeakers instead of the PA that has maybe a couple of 15 " spread apart ,i think the cause may very well be the speakers mainly and the way they are placed in a 4x12 for that massive wall of sound.

Millsmick , it sounds a bit like your thinking backwards,sure it takes a bit of time to program all the stuff and set the patch levels so that they work well together,but using the Pro live is much simpler than using a regular amp and a bunch of pedals,instead of tappdanceing trying to press for example 4 pedals at once (or even more ) you just press one and there you have the exact sound you wanted ,its certainly a pro solution.

[skultrap]

The other guitarplayer in my band and i who both use the GT-pro used it for the first time directly into the PA via the sub xlr out at a gig a week ago and it worked very well ,we just used the ordinary angeled floormonitors on stage for the guitars no guitar amps and such .

I used my AKG K270 studio headphones straight into the pro to set the sound of the patches and global and then at the venue i adjusted the global slightly at the soundcheck thats all.

Wow, no amps? Sounds awesome. Is the sound good straight from the GT-PRO? Doing this would make things soooo much easier.

[1923ford]

i think it sounds good through a PA...that is why i switched to a keyboard amp...it is a flat response rig, and i use it on stage as my personal monitor and the sub out goes to the main mixing board. i do think you have to use the onboard eq to "cut" some of the high frequencies to take some of the sizzle out of the tone. i think because of its broad range of modelers and FX, it has a frequency response higher than most standard guitar amps/guitar speakers...therefore, i use the "eq" to "cut" my high frequency to something along the line of a normal guitar speaker...but its really just my own preference.

[Evilution]

The other guitarplayer in my band and i who both use the GT-pro used it for the first time directly into the PA via the sub xlr out at a gig a week ago and it worked very well ,we just used the ordinary angeled floormonitors on stage for the guitars no guitar amps and such .

I used my AKG K270 studio headphones straight into the pro to set the sound of the patches and global and then at the venue i adjusted the global slightly at the soundcheck thats all.

Wow, no amps? Sounds awesome. Is the sound good straight from the GT-PRO? Doing this would make things soooo much easier.

Yeah it sounds good,of course you have to know how to tweak the thing to get a good sound out of it,its a complicated machine,not that i have any real problem with that.

The way i achieved a good result is to concentrate on tweaking the ampsim so that it sounded good in my studio headphones connected directly to the pro,dont use any effects or the separated EQ just the EQ in the amp sim ,then add whatever you need,i found out i almost didnt need the separate EQ block i just made a very slight adjustment.

My advice would also be to not use ordinary hifi headphones since these ususally color the sound to a pretty high degree,and that you dont want.

[skultrap]

Studio headphones?

Would a sennheiser HD555 or Sony MDR-NC50 be considered as studio?

[Evilution]

Studio headphones?

Would a sennheiser HD555 or Sony MDR-NC50 be considered as studio?

No i wouldnt call them that ,in fact i wouldnt recommend those for monitoring at all ,especially the sennheiser ones headphones for monitoring is ment to color the sound as little as possible,the sennheiser headphones have some sort of surround simulation.

It should be more like the AKG K240 studio for example its an old studio standard.

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