anyone tried looping a tube micpreamp into gt-pro?

[hagmanma]

hello!

in the next days i get a presonus tubepre mic-preamp to try out.
goal is i want to give some tube-warmth to the gt-pro, and i've heard
from some people who achieved this with their digital amps and a
tube-mic-preamp.

does anyone of you know what is the best way to connect?

insert into loop?
in front of the gt-pro?

thank u!

[ASHJN]

My guess would be to put it in the loop. I can't wait to hear your results...

[Kingkong]

Interesting idea. Let us know how it works.
I think it could be used also after last outputs of gt-pro.

[hagmanma]

I think preloop will fit the best for the tubepre. As soon i have some results, i will post some mp3s for you.... can't wait to test it :-)
the second reason for me to buy this little preamp is, you can use it also
as a excellent DI for bass or acoustics and last but not least it's a very good mic preamp for its price. i've heard already some voice-recordings
made with it. absolutely clear and warm.

[ASHJN]

When is it coming in? Try every possible routing combination and let us know what works best..

[ASHJN]

Kind of off topic, kind of on. I received a Damage Control Womanzier (http://www.damagecontrolusa.com/products.htm) that I will be testing out with the Pro over the weekend. I will post my findings later...

[hagmanma]

Unfortunately i didn't had much spare time this weekend. i only tried the tupepre via preloop. but it's amazing. in clean mode it makes the sound more clear, more present. in distortion mode you think you have a real tube amp in front of you. i hope i will have some time this day for recordings with different settings for you all.

[ASHJN]

I would love to hear some recordings with/without it on. As far as the Womanzier went, it didn't make that much of a difference, I wouldn't recommend it with the Pro...

[hagmanma]

okay here are the recordings.
*gt-pro means only gt-pro
*pre means presonus in preloop
*front means guitar -> presonus -> gt-pro

copy the following links to your browser:

www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/crunchy_clean_gt-pro.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/crunchy_clean_pre.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/crunchy_clean_front.mp3

www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/edge_gt-pro.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/edge_pre.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/edge_front.mp3

www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/dist_gt-pro.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/dist_pre.mp3
www.soundwerkstatt.ch/mp3/dist_front.mp3

recordings are not the best.... hadn't enough time to do correct leveling etc. sorry for that...

for me guitar -> presonus -> gt-pro sounds best.
it also distorts a little bit more when you play with attack, what i really like!!!

second thing what i have to say, when i play over my velocity poweramp with the 2x12 marshall box, i feel more difference.

check it out. what do you think?

[ASHJN]

In the clean recording I like it better in the loop but in the other 2 I like it better infront. Sounds good though i can tell a difference. Did you ever try putting it in Loop 1 or 2 and putting it right before or after the amp?

[hagmanma]

i forgot to tell you that i missed to switch off some fx and the compressor in the clean sample *front. because of that i think you hear also a big difference. sorry for this...

no, never tried it. but i will do and sure i will make recordings with the same patches as soon as possible.

[ASHJN]

Cool thanks. Was that clean patch a stock patch or one that you created? And did you record these direct with the USB?

[ASHJN]

Did you get the PreSonus Tube Pre or the Bluetube?

[hagmanma]

it was one from www.soundsderhelden.de - a modified mark knopfler patch.
here is the link where you can download these 50 patches from Studio Guitarplayer Thomas Dill:

pc: http://www.soundsderhelden.de/download/SDH-GT-Pro.gtl.zip
mac: http://www.soundsderhelden.de/download/SDH-GT-Pro.gtl.sitx

it's the presonus tubepre. bluetube is almost the same but with 2 channels.
i recorded it from mainout directly into a digidesign 002 protools system.

[ASHJN]

Do you think having the 2 channels and maybe doing something with stereo would make it sound better, or mono does just fine?

[hagmanma]

1 channel is enough. you can save some money at this point.
you will buy one?

[ASHJN]

I'm leaning towards yes...right now I am trying to find a local dealer that has one...I want to try it with my set up. If it makes the same kind of difference it makes in your recordings, then yes

[hagmanma]

okay... if you find one to try out:
here are my settings on the presonus:
drive: 12 o'clock
gain: 7 o'clock

be also sure to check the input on the gt-pro. when you use the presonus
directly after guitar you will have to adjust it a little bit....

[slimward]

Not being too happy with the lack of character and warmth of the GT-PRO I decided to purchase the ART TPSII tube preamp to help improve the sound. It was a reluctant purchase having already spent £550 on the PRO but I felt I had no choice but to shell out more money.

When I received the TPSII I plugged my guitar straight into it which then went direct to my monitors. The sound was amazing. Full of body, warmth, fatness and character. I was ecstatic and couldn't wait to loop it into the GT-PRO.

The original idea was to connect the TPSII to the PRE LOOP or LOOP 1/2. Unfortunately this created very little extra warmth and the sound difference was not worth the effort. The PRO seemed to extract and throw away the quality that the tube preamp was offering.

I then tried plugging the guitar into the TPSII and then the output of that into the input of the PRO. Crap.

I was very dissapointed and felt that I had wasted more money. Finaly I connected the main output of the PRO into the TPSII. It wasn't until then that some of the characteristics of the TPSII came through. It still wasn't as good as plugging the guitar solely into the TPSII though. This is the configuration that I now use. I consider it an improvement on the total sound but still leaves a lot to be desired. I wouldn't recommend anybody to purchase a tube preamp for use with the PRO.

I get the feeling that the PRO in it's very early processing stages, before it gets to the loop inserts have somehow thinned and stripped some of the character originating from the guitar and is probably why the TPSII can't improve on what is not there anymore.

It also makes me wonder why BOSS who is selling an expensive guitar-amp simulator with a PRO badge can only simulate a thin sounding approximation of a real amp. And with all that 90% of free space inside the box why didn't they put a blomin' tube in it.

[Wardy]

Well i wasnt very impressed with it at all aswell