Top Ten Wish List For GT-10

[mboss77]

Somebody made a top ten in the coffee house so I thought it might be fun to do a top ten wishes for the GT-10 for previous GT owners. Some of the things on your top ten may have already been revealed, but some might be revealed when we know more about it, but it will be fun just to see what people are really wanting to see in this new unit.

Michael's Top Ten in no particular order
10) Separate jacks for external expression and control 3/4 (didn't happen)
9) Reduced Size (nope)
8) Editor (don't know yet)
7) Improved amp and overdrive sims (looking promising)
6) USB (Yes!)
5) Patch Assignable Sub Outputs (nope)
4) Patch as well as System Assigns for Manual Mode (looking promising)
3) Better power supply (it's been changed, but don't know yet)
2) Output knob moved to a useable location (done)
1) More intuitive way to create patches when not using an editor (done)

[Disasterxpieces]

I dont think the location of the output knob should be in the top ten, theres real issues that need addressing like the fact it needs to be able to handle line level. Cosmetics are just that and after all its a modeler not a model.

I wouldnt want it any smaller I like the pedals with some space between them.

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I dont think the location of the output knob should be in the top ten, theres real issues that need addressing like the fact it needs to be able to handle line level. Cosmetics are just that and after all its a modeler not a model.


it should also come in pink:icon_tongue:

[mboss77]

I dont think the location of the output knob should be in the top ten, theres real issues that need addressing like the fact it needs to be able to handle line level. Cosmetics are just that and after all its a modeler not a model.

I wouldnt want it any smaller I like the pedals with some space between them.

Then post your own top-10 Mr. Grumpy Pants.....that one was mine :)

I adjusted the output knob many times in the first set alone on Saturday and there were two patch cords running on the top and bottom of the knob. Barely being able to turn the thing and not being able to see it was seriously getting on my nerves.

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Then post your top 10.....that one was mine.
I adjusted the output knob seven times in the first set on Saturday!
Agreed.
The physical characteristics and ergonomics of (and I'll call it an instrument) an instrument are every bit as important as how it sounds, if somebody made the best FX pedal on earth that was to die for but made it so large, heavy, hard to operate or just back breakingly inconvenient to use with any regularity, I'm not gonna kill myself tryin to use it (lol)...it can sit in a corner and sound as good as it wants while I take out the one that plays nice:)

[lp_bruce]

Then post your own top-10 Mr. Grumpy Pants.....that one was mine :)

I adjusted the output knob many times in the first set alone on Saturday and there were two patch cords running on the top and bottom of the knob. Barely being able to turn the thing and not being able to see it was seriously getting on my nerves.

I agree that ergonomics are important, though I don't ever adjust the level once we've started playing because I've leveled my patches and have a volume pedal for tweaking. Do many people adjust the level after soundcheck? Just curious.

I don't have a top ten wish, but what I'd really like to see is an improvement to the preamps and effects, particularly the harmonizer, pitch shifter, etc. And of course, a usable spring reverb would be a bonus.

Peace,

[mboss77]

I agree that ergonomics are important, though I don't ever adjust the level once we've started playing because I've leveled my patches and have a volume pedal for tweaking. Do many people adjust the level after soundcheck? Just curious.

I don't have a top ten wish, but what I'd really like to see is an improvement to the preamps and effects, particularly the harmonizer, pitch shifter, etc. And of course, a usable spring reverb would be a bonus.

Peace,

Normally, not that often no, however on Saturday the soundman showed up an hour late so no soundcheck and....I had to run mono into the back of my JC-120 because another guitar player took one of my cables. Into the mains, the only volume control that I have is the GT8 itself and since I normally run stereo I had no idea where to set it. I couldn't hear myself through the monitors so I had to rely on the amp to hear myself + I was using the Strat instead of the Ibanez because I was testing the Hum Debugger. So, while it might not happen like that all the time, I was on that output knob like every two seconds trying to find a volume that worked for me. Woulda been a heck of a lot easier if it was on the face.

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I agree that ergonomics are important, though I don't ever adjust the level once we've started playing because I've leveled my patches and have a volume pedal for tweaking. Do many people adjust the level after soundcheck? Just curious.

I use the volume pedal as well for the master volume, but it's happened on more than one occassion that even tho the level was set just fine at the sound check that I've had to resort to the black knob on the back of the GT just to get enough clean headroom on the actual gig because of the band being more "energetic" (for lack of a better term) with their volume and dynamics than they were at the soundcheck.

I know that you can reason that if this has happened on more than one occasion then I could simply set the thing higher in anticipation, but I don't always play with the same group, I freelance. And having to bend over and adjust that thing even if it's only a couple times in the course of the night is (excuse my french) a pain in the ass at my age. (lol)

My foot is fairly agile tho, if it were on top I could adjust it with the tip of my shoe if I had to.

[lp_bruce]

Normally, not that often no, however on Saturday the soundman showed up an hour late so no soundcheck and....I had to run mono into the back of my JC-120 because another guitar player took one of my cables. Into the mains, the only volume control that I have is the GT8 itself and since I normally run stereo I had no idea where to set it. I couldn't hear myself through the monitors so I had to rely on the amp to hear myself + I was using the Strat instead of the Ibanez because I was testing the Hum Debugger. So, while it might not happen like that all the time, I was on that output knob like every two seconds trying to find a volume that worked for me. Woulda been a heck of a lot easier if it was on the face.

Understood. Even at a regular gig, I might need to tweak my volume a little as the room changes (fills with people, etc.), but I do that with my volume pedal. And it would certainly be better on top, along with anything else that might need an adjustment during a gig. Just not at the top of my wishlist.

Peace,

[Randall_d]

I really wish all of the compressor options would have been put in the compressor module (instead of the FXs) and the Tone Modifier would have been put in the Preamp/Cab module. I use the Tone Modify on every patch, so there goes one FX, then if I want to use a different compressor than the vanilla one in the compressor module, then there goes the other FX. No more effects after that (other than Delay, Chorus, Reverb, Wah and EQ) can be used on that patch. That was a serious oversight in my opinion. Different effects should also be able to be used on different preamps in the dual preamp mode, instead of being global. It sounds like they may have done this one (even though it would have taken a lot of horsepower to do). And they should have left it black, or offered it in silver and black (hey, why not??!!). Then of course the most important thing, improve the models and improve the usability of the unit. I know this sounds contradictory, but the overall timbre of the GT8 was better than the overall timbre of the POD (IMHO), but the models were better in the POD. I tried to get my Fender Twin sound to sound as good as my friends' POD xt and couldn't get there no matter what I tried. The basic model just didn't have it in it to get there. Just couldn't match the complexity of the midrange.

[Kassanova]

Already a list? Its not officially out yet.

Here's my list from the wishlist thread:

Since this is a wish list, here are my wishes:

Eliminate the FX1/FX2 effects differential. Add another chip or whatever it takes. The Roland VG-99's effects sections are completely interchangeable; the next GT should be also. NO EXCUSES. Also add an FX3 (open-ended as well). It may take another chip but...MAKE IT HAPPEN. The effects are the most important feature of the unit and it can be more flexible than it already is. I should be able to have a pitch shifter, a humanizer and a guitar synth all in one patch. They're all in the same box. Gimme access! This is my one true wish.

Add a notch filter of some sort for fizz elimination or buy the harmonic converger technology and make Radley a very happy, wealthy man.

More bands of EQ are always good. The pedals are 7 band (hint, hint) Put the "Q's" in the EQs, too.

+1 on the ability to set the rise time on the Feedbacker (come on! You've done it before, stop cheating)

+1 for the ability to have seperate effects for channels A & B

A ping pong delay is doable, right?

I don't even need to speak on the OD/DS/better preamp suggestione, do I?

Improve the pitch shifter/harmonizer effects. Digitech is killing you guys. Step it up!

I like the "WARP" idea as well. Call it "Blend" or "Fuse" or "Merge" but make it do what the Digitech WARP function does.

USB for uploading patches, other data, software updates, etc. via a flash drive.

An UNDO button or a process of UNDO for the patch write function. You have no idea how necessary that is!

Patch editing software (for Windows and Mac)

Stereo/multi mono effects loop and one more interchangeable effects loop in the FX chain (come on, how hard is that?) Maybe even make it switchable from serial to parallel as well?

Everybody wants a tube! Vox has a tube. How about that tube? You know you want to give it to us! Just a little one? (along with the ability to make use of it, of course)

Bigger display? Slightly. Touch-sensitive? Hell no! FLOORBOARD and Touch sensitive don't mix at all!

Finally, I want it to transform into my own personal Decepticon with the ability to collect money from tight-fisted club owners BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!

Looks like they did about 3/4ths of what I was was hoping for.
I really had my heart set on the transformer thing, though. Oh well, maybe the GT-12 will.

[Newysurfer]

Here's my top 10

* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz

:horns:

[mboss77]

An UNDO button or a process of UNDO for the patch write function. You have no idea how necessary that is!

Stereo/multi mono effects loop and one more interchangeable effects loop in the FX chain (come on, how hard is that?) Maybe even make it switchable from serial to parallel as well?


Those are both really good ones.

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Maybe even make it switchable from serial to parallel as well?

They've covered that one in the GT-10. I'm not all that sure how useful that really is tho, the Zoom 3030 even had that (I still have it) but I really couldn't figure out any real use for it.

[JackOS1971]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet but how about higher quality AD/DA converters with better transparancy; in particular for 4cm use. Either that, or the ability to completely dial out the dry signal level for use in a wet/dry rig for those of us that don't need to use the amp sims live.

I've already got a tube amp whose tone I love, but the 4cm just wasn't doing it for me with the GT-8 live. It's one of the reasons I sold it.

Edit: I see from the post above mine that they've put in an option to switch the fx loop from serial to parallel. Does that mean the dry signal can be completely dialed out for a 100% wet sound?

[Disasterxpieces]

It just isn't on my list at all as to where the volume knob is located, just more interested in the sound. I'm not grumpy see ;)

Better A/D/A

Better Wah's

Kill Dry

Line Level

More User friendly

Better re verb's

Real meters

Higher quality preamps

Better OD's

True or hardwire bypass.

[mboss77]

It just isn't on my list at all as to where the volume knob is located, just more interested in the sound. I'm not grumpy see ;)

Better A/D/A

Better Wah's

Kill Dry

Line Level

More User friendly

Better re verb's

Real meters

Higher quality preamps

Better OD's

True or hardwire bypass.

Yep, those are good. Just out of curiosity, what is your challenge with line level signals?

[Disasterxpieces]

Yep, those are good. Just out of curiosity, what is your challenge with line level signals?

My amp is line level, it isn't a must but would be nice. The gtpro can handle line level.

[ki8aristas]

i just want 1 thing that has been killing me with the gt8. Metal tones that sound really good and are easy to dial!

[Kewlpack]

Here's my Top 10 List for the GT-10:

1) I wish I had one NOW!
2) I wish I had one NOW!
3) I wish I had one NOW!
4) I wish I had one NOW!
5) I wish I had one NOW!
6) I wish I had one NOW!
7) I wish I had one NOW!
8) I wish I had one NOW!
9) I wish I had one NOW!
10) I wish I had one RIGHT NOW!

:)

[mikola200]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet but how about higher quality AD/DA converters with better transparancy; in particular for 4cm use. Either that, or the ability to completely dial out the dry signal level for use in a wet/dry rig for those of us that don't need to use the amp sims live.

I've already got a tube amp whose tone I love, but the 4cm just wasn't doing it for me with the GT-8 live. It's one of the reasons I sold it.

Edit: I see from the post above mine that they've put in an option to switch the fx loop from serial to parallel. Does that mean the dry signal can be completely dialed out for a 100% wet sound?


Unless I completely missed something (I sold my GT-8) but I always thought that if you set mix levels to 100 or whichever that number on GT-8 you should get no dry at all ...

And I agree AD/DA converters in GT-8 could be better.


M.

[JackOS1971]

My amp is line level, it isn't a must but would be nice. The gtpro can handle line level.

Huh? The GT-8 can't handle line level? How does the 4cm work then? Or when people run the GT-8 in their amp's fx loop only. Isn't the signal from the amp's Fx Send line level? That goes into the GT-8 before going back out to the amp.

[JackOS1971]

Unless I completely missed something (I sold my GT-8) but I always thought that if you set mix levels to 100 or whichever that number on GT-8 you should get no dry at all ...

And I agree AD/DA converters in GT-8 could be better.


M.

I don't think all of the fx in the GT-8 allow for controlling the mix. Some do, but not all. Unless there is some sort of master mixing control that I overlooked.

[Disasterxpieces]

Huh? The GT-8 can't handle line level? How does the 4cm work then? Or when people run the GT-8 in their amp's fx loop only. Isn't the signal from the amp's Fx Send line level? That goes into the GT-8 before going back out to the amp.

Only works with consumer level. 4cm wont work with my or many other peoples amps.

[jmillion]

Here's my top 10

* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz
* Much improved preamp tones with no fizzzzzzzzz

:horns:I agree with most of the things in your list. ;-)

[DeRigueur]

Edit: I see from the post above mine that they've put in an option to switch the fx loop from serial to parallel. Does that mean the dry signal can be completely dialed out for a 100% wet sound?
100% wet is what you get with a serial loop, as in the gt8 Normal loop mode.
The gt8's Direct Mix loop mode is like a parallel loop allowing the wet and dry to be mixed. I'm pretty sure the gt10 will keep these features.

[mboss77]

Only works with consumer level. 4cm wont work with my or many other peoples amps.

Geez, I just read over a bunch of your posts and you really have had it rough trying to get your rig to work. I really hope that you find something that works well for you soon. I would've thought that turning the effect return down low and boosting the effect send on the GT8 would work, but I saw that you already tried that.

[JackOS1971]

100% wet is what you get with a serial loop, as in the gt8 Normal loop mode.
The gt8's Direct Mix loop mode is like a parallel loop allowing the wet and dry to be mixed. I'm pretty sure the gt10 will keep these features.

Actually, I don't think a serial loop = 100% wet. In a serial loop 100% of the wet fx is mixed in with the dry. There's a difference. In a parallel loop you have control over how much of the wet fx is mixed in with the dry, but I don't think you can dial out the dry completely. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think a kill dry switch like someone mentioned before is what's needed.

[Newysurfer]

Geez, I just read over a bunch of your posts and you really have had it rough trying to get your rig to work. I really hope that you find something that works well for you soon. I would've thought that turning the effect return down low and boosting the effect send on the GT8 would work, but I saw that you already tried that.

He did - he sold his GT-8 a few months ago :smile:

[TieDyedDevil]

For reference, here's my original wish list:

http://bossgtcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103059#post103059

Things that I didn't want in the GT-10:
tubes
multi-axis expression pedals
MIDI sequencer
drum machine
multi-track recorder
looper
larger box
second expression pedal
more I/Os
a computer-based patch editor
dumbed-down user interfaceI lucked out on #1-5 and #8.

They put in a looper, albeit a really simple one. It looks like it doesn't compromise anything else, so that's OK. I don't think I'd ditch my RC-50 for this, but it might be nice to not have to carry another big floor unit if all I really need is a simple looper.

The larger box isn't that much bigger. I had visions of a behemoth the size of a Vox Tonelab SE when I wrote that. And I voted against more I/Os because they would have made the box longer. But now that Boss put in the extra CTL pedal, I wish that they had added XLR outs in that blank space on the back panel.

The USB is a nice touch, but more for robust upgrade delivery than anything else.

I could still care less about a computer-based patch editor. It looks like the new UI obviates the need for the one useful thing the GT-Pro editor did for my GT-8: displaying EQ curves.

I have my fingers crossed that Boss didn't actually take away any deep editing functionality to accommodate the quick tone (or whatever they're calling it) UI. I've spent some time with the VG-99 and am hoping that the GT-10 takes a similar approach to the UI.

Things that I did want in the GT-10:
internal universal power supply
lower noise floor
clipping indicator
better pitch-shifting
EH-2 emulation
in-the-box tutorial DVDDoesn't appear that I got #3. That would've been nice.

A clean miss on #1 as well. However, the fact that Boss has switched to a (I hope) standard 9V power supply means that I should be able to buy a third-party switching power supply that works worldwide.

The rest or my wishes: I'm going to have to wait and see...

[Disasterxpieces]

Geez, I just read over a bunch of your posts and you really have had it rough trying to get your rig to work. I really hope that you find something that works well for you soon. I would've thought that turning the effect return down low and boosting the effect send on the GT8 would work, but I saw that you already tried that.

I think I read that the gt10 can output +4db but the inputs only take -10db which means with a line level shifter it should work. The gt8 max output was 0db (I think) I was hoping since the gtpro had the option of line level. Still, there might be a Gtpro 2.0 yet.

I used the gt8 for a year with my other amp, anyway I really like the look of the gt10, the 8 had too much tweaking to do and I found myself tweaking more then playing so I cant wait to see what the new interface is like.

Anyone else interested in buying the pro version? (if there is one) I do love the floor based model tho...........

[DeRigueur]

Actually, I don't think a serial loop = 100% wet. In a serial loop 100% of the wet fx is mixed in with the dry. There's a difference. In a parallel loop you have control over how much of the wet fx is mixed in with the dry, but I don't think you can dial out the dry completely. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think a kill dry switch like someone mentioned before is what's needed.It might simpler to use the terms from the manual (normal mode and direct mix mode) instead of serial and parallel since this is what I suspect the gt-10 will be like. Normal mode is 100% wet (or 0% dry). Direct mix allows some mixing, although it's not clear how a particular percentage would be dialed in since the only controls are send and receive level.

[Radley]

Sorry folks, but I don't understand why we are talking about a wish list for something that's already been established - has there been a break from reality?

~Rad~

[Newysurfer]

Sorry folks, but I don't understand why we are talking about a wish list for something that's already been established - has there been a break from reality?

~Rad~

Well Rad - the only thing I'm a wishin for is a floor version of the AXE-FX with built in exp pedal / patch changer. Unless the GT-10 compares favourably with that for cheaper then I won't be interested in buying. So I'll just wait for the new Axe to be released and for all the reviews to come in on the GT-10 :)

[Kassanova]

Sorry folks, but I don't understand why we are talking about a wish list for something that's already been established - has there been a break from reality?

~Rad~

Nah. I think folks are just having fun with this thread. I know I was. I posted my wishlist from the wishlist thread from last year just to show how many suggestions it looks like they heeded. I think it was just all in fun. Its a safe assumption that this piece is gonna rock.

[Disasterxpieces]

has there been a break from reality?~Rad~

Yeah thats pretty much it, we reject the reality and substitute our own. I want my gt10 to have leds that change colour and a laser projected HUD also it should be see through with fish inside and the fish should be included. Instead of the wheel dial, it should have a track ball made from a dodo egg. The wah pedal should be solid gold. Feature AI with voice commands and the knobs should be like a mood ring and change color via heat transfer.

Also it should be called the GodlyTone-10

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Well, here was mine back when we were all "wishing" on this one, I didn't get a more compact size but at least maybe a couple things might appear.


6-10-06 Being that I probably couldn't afford all these improvements, and it is a wish list, theres is one I would like to see. I don't know how many times I've set up the asssign controllers when an idea hit me to be able to control something else that wasn't available for the patch because of what I selected for FX 1 & 2. It would probably cost too much but it would be great to be able to assign any (as in combination) effect to a patch and be able to do anything you wanted to with it.

I hope they never get rid of the Guitar Synth, as someone suggested. I have a lot of fun with that one. Would be neat to have all the preset instruments available from the Boss DR-5 to play with as presets that you could modify though. As it is, you have to invent them yourself, but hey, that's what everybody expects us to do I guess.[*pitch to MIDI convertor]

The wave synth I'm not too crazy about, but I'm sure there's a lot of untapped potential there.

While I'm asking for improbabilities, I might ask that it be somewhat smaller (the GT) and compact, and come with it's own case, maybe a fliptop lid, like they do with some mixers. I really hate lugging it around in a suitcase.

As for making the screen bigger, be careful with that one. That is the MOST vulnerable part of ANY of these units. I use to own a Zoom GFX-8 with a very good size screen until a music stand fell on top of it. The edge of the stand fit very nicely into the screen going thru the pc board and sending it to MFX heaven.

If they never change anything about the GT-8 I could live with it the way it is the rest of my days though. I'm overall VERY happy with it.
__________________

[**update on explaination] I'd also mentioned somewhere that it'd be neat to have some sort of palm sized recorder just for patches (something that would hold enough patches for 4 GT-8's theoretically) so that you could load and store or switch them on a gig or anywhere else that you were away from a computer. Maybe with the USB port something like this can finaly happen.

[TieDyedDevil]

... has there been a break from reality?


Is this the internet?

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[mboss77]

Sorry folks, but I don't understand why we are talking about a wish list for something that's already been established - has there been a break from reality?

~Rad~

1) Because even though it has been announced, there is much we don't know about it yet.

2) It isn't a wish list in terms of what I want, but rather what I wanted in the GT-10, so we're seeing how much of what we wanted actually happened. (perhaps i should have titled it "how close were they to your top 10)

3) It's just supposed to be fun and engage conversation.



I think I read that the gt10 can output +4db but the inputs only take -10db which means with a line level shifter it should work. The gt8 max output was 0db (I think) I was hoping since the gtpro had the option of line level. Still, there might be a Gtpro 2.0 yet.

I used the gt8 for a year with my other amp, anyway I really like the look of the gt10, the 8 had too much tweaking to do and I found myself tweaking more then playing so I cant wait to see what the new interface is like.

Anyone else interested in buying the pro version? (if there is one) I do love the floor based model tho...........

Actually, yes I am. It seems that much of what I wanted is already available on the Pro so I'm pretty stoked to see if there is an updated GT-Pro. You are correct about the 0db max output on the GT8.

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I'm quite surprised at how much of our original excpectations have seemed to show up so far. I was still finding little goodies hidden in the corner the GT-8 even recently and I've had it since 2005. The only things really being advertised by Boss so far as a strong point is the new DSP and rebuild of the COSM (what we mostly wanted anyway) but I'm willin to bet there's gonna some simple things (besides the EZtone/grid) about the 10 that were (are) quite complicated on the 8 that they haven't touched on with the advertising.

[mboss77]

I definitely agree and it seems that their game plan thus far is two-fold:

1) Make it easier to use "out of the box."

2) Taking the sound quality to the next level to really be competitive.

I don't think it's going to be a new 1000-bells-and-whistles machine. Aside from the looper, it seems to be more about refinement (except for the size), and making what it has work much better. This is a good strategy me thinks.

[pAtU]

I agree that it seems to be better, but there are three things that I really think BOSS screwed up.

That the LCD is only 96x96 pixels monochromatic. There's $10 cellphones that have colored, bright and with a bigger resolution LCD screens, I doubt anyone would have trouble reading them into the stage, please tell me if I'm wrong in this one. Tell me, how many people would buy the GT-10 if only there were a little picture of the amp they modeled into the menu?
The, oh-so talked about non-existent XLR Outs.
And the change of the phones jack from a rugged Switchcraft-like jack to a crappy-soldered-into-the-board jack.

Cheers,
Leonardo

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And the change of the phones jack from a rugged Switchcraft-like jack to a crappy-soldered-into-the-board jack.

hmmm..hadn't noticed a difference in the jacks until you mentioned it..don't care for that either...but..being Boss I'm sure it's still sturdy enough, at least I hope they're still up to the quality of work they're known for. I'm a bit worried about this trend of going to more and more plastic parts with Roland as well, seen it on the new JC-120's but there again there's been no trouble with them, none that I've read anyway.

Only prob I have with the screen is that by virtue of its size, it's vulnerable to anything that might fall into it, more than likely going thru the screen and into the PC board. I've made mention of this before (last year) about my worries with that.

Other than those two issues I have no problem micing my amp or using a direct box.

[mboss77]

I agree that it seems to be better, but there are three things that I really think BOSS screwed up.

That the LCD is only 96x96 pixels monochromatic. There's $10 cellphones that have colored, bright and with a bigger resolution LCD screens, I doubt anyone would have trouble reading them into the stage, please tell me if I'm wrong in this one. Tell me, how many people would buy the GT-10 if only there were a little picture of the amp they modeled into the menu?
The, oh-so talked about non-existent XLR Outs.
And the change of the phones jack from a rugged Switchcraft-like jack to a crappy-soldered-into-the-board jack.

Cheers,
Leonardo

Can't argue with you on any of those points.

[TieDyedDevil]

hmmm..hadn't noticed a difference in the jacks until you mentioned it..don't care for that either...but..being Boss I'm sure it's still sturdy enough, at least I hope they're still up to the quality of work they're known for.


Unless Roland has a different (and significantly better) source of the plastic jacks, they're probably not going to be any more robust than anyone else's... There's no magic there. Cheap parts is cheap parts, no matter who uses `em.

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Unless Roland has a different (and significantly better) source of the plastic jacks, they're probably not going to be any more robust than anyone else's... There's no magic there. Cheap parts is cheap parts, no matter who uses `em.


True, but if it were me, and I had to use them I'd be sure to mount them in such a manner as to cause me the least grief...I doubt that Boss wants to have the same probs that Behringer (and other companys) have been having with them.

I know that all of the pots at least on the GT-8 are metal, I do hope that nobody lifts one of the 4 knobs off of the 10 and discovers a plastic shaft.

I don't mind someone using cost efficient parts as long as they can do the same job and so long as they have a proper protection or construction around them, robust or not.

[pAtU]

Gone, you must understand that carrying a DI Box (or two) is not worth it when BOSS could spend one buck more in manufacturing and give us XLR outputs, every other brand is giving it, Digitech even made them in the smaller of their units.

And the cost I have to pay for a quality DI Box is absurd, about U$100. If I lived in the states I could have another opinion about this.

The LCD screen thingy: I'm not sayin it should be bigger, just with more resolution, you can fit a 320x240(pixels) screen on that place easily. I agree with you, the bigger the screen (in size) more fragile it is.

Cheers,
Leonardo

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Gone, you must understand that carrying a DI Box (or two) is not worth it when BOSS could spend one buck more in manufacturing and give us XLR outputs, every other brand is giving it, Digitech even made them in the smaller of their units.

And the cost I have to pay for a quality DI Box is absurd, about U$100. If I lived in the states I could have another opinion about this.

The LCD screen thingy: I'm not sayin it should be bigger, just with more resolution, you can fit a 320x240(pixels) screen on that place easily. I agree with you, the bigger the screen (in size) more fragile it is.

Cheers,
Leonardo


I agree of course (on the XLR's) and have stated eslewhere that I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more for the unit to have them, I'm not alone there either (not entirely anyway lol) .

About the screen (how old are you lol) ..my eyes have never been all that great but I was termed "legally blind" by the DPS here in Texas nearly 15 yrs ago (not to be confused with DSP "digital signal processing") and can't legaly drive without proper glasses but I can still make out a small screen and as you say with the proper resolution it would even be easier but I don't anticipate too much of a prob there (as long as my glasses hold out) but we're in total agreement on the actual size of the screen. I really don't want a computer under my foot even if I can see it better.

Even tho todays units basically are computers (no way around it anymore) I just don't want it to look like one and/or be succeptable to the same "crashes" and quirks that computers are famous for.

[TieDyedDevil]

Hey, I just took a look at the photos on the German site <http://www.rolandmusik.de/produkte/GT-10/index.php>. I don't see any external evidence that they've changed jacks from the GT-8.

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Hey, I just took a look at the photos on the German site <http://www.rolandmusik.de/produkte/GT-10/index.php>. I don't see any external evidence that they've changed jacks from the GT-8.

I did, take a look at the heaphone jack...that's the one they changed, tell me what you see?

(I'm not that blind lol)

Also look at the BIG pic of the back at the Welcome page here on GT Central (under models). very visible difference. No "nut" on the outside..evidence that it is secured internaly, to the board.

[TieDyedDevil]

Gone, you must understand that carrying a DI Box (or two) is not worth it when BOSS could spend one buck more in manufacturing and give us XLR outputs, every other brand is giving it, Digitech even made them in the smaller of their units.

And the cost I have to pay for a quality DI Box is absurd, about U$100. If I lived in the states I could have another opinion about this.


Hold on a minute... I seriously doubt that the cost of materials for including the XLR outs in the GT-10 is a dollar. You have two XLR jacks plus the supporting drive circuitry (I'm guessing 4 op-amps, 4 caps, and a dozen resistors). It's not a hundred bucks, but it's not a buck, either. Maybe $5 in quantity... But that's the thing: if the market doesn't demand DI outs on floor processors for guitar, then not including the XLRs gives them another $5 per unit in profit.



A quality DI box at US$100 is not out of line. Take a look at unit prices for high-quality transformers sometime. Especially Jensen transformers. I'm just glad that I don't have dog's ears... I can be very happy with a $50 stereo DI (an ART dPDB) for $50.

[DeRigueur]

fwiw, all the jacks on the back of my gt5 look like the new phones jack -- ie, no nuts (not very masculine looking, either). Anyway, I never had a problem with them and they still work.

[TieDyedDevil]

I did, take a look at the heaphone jack...that's the one they changed, tell me what you see?

(I'm not that blind lol)

Also look at the BIG pic of the back at the Welcome page here on GT Central (under models). very visible difference. No "nut" on the outside..evidence that it is secured internaly, to the board.



Well look at that... :oops:

One of us is blind, and it's not you. ;)

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Well look at that... :oops:

One of us is blind, and it's not you. ;)


(lol) hey..I didn't see it either ,at first..thank pAtU for that observation.:icon12:

[pAtU]

Hold on a minute... I seriously doubt that the cost of materials for including the XLR outs in the GT-10 is a dollar. You have two XLR jacks plus the supporting drive circuitry (I'm guessing 4 op-amps, 4 caps, and a dozen resistors). It's not a hundred bucks, but it's not a buck, either. Maybe $5 in quantity... But that's the thing: if the market doesn't demand DI outs on floor processors for guitar, then not including the XLRs gives them another $5 per unit in profit.



A quality DI box at US$100 is not out of line. Take a look at unit prices for high-quality transformers sometime. Especially Jensen transformers. I'm just glad that I don't have dog's ears... I can be very happy with a $50 stereo DI (an ART dPDB) for $50.

Be it $5, still worth it. All of Boss' "enemies" are offering XLR outs, there indeed is a market for that. The guitar market is changing, the days of "you HAVE to plug your MFX into an amp" are in their end, and Boss is letting the train go away without hopping into it.

Hope you're right DeRigueur, I would hate to have to crack this unit open to solder the jack.

Cheers,
Leonardo

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I would hate to have to crack this unit open to solder the jack. I had to do that with an (believe it or not) OLD Zoom 3030, wasn't a pretty site.. (me) after doing it...damn I was pissed lol.

[Zane72]

For reference, here's my original wish list:

http://bossgtcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103059#post103059

Things that I didn't want in the GT-10:
tubes
multi-axis expression pedals
MIDI sequencer
drum machine
multi-track recorder
looper
larger box
second expression pedal
more I/Os
a computer-based patch editor
dumbed-down user interfaceI lucked out on #1-5 and #8.

They put in a looper, albeit a really simple one. It looks like it doesn't compromise anything else, so that's OK. I don't think I'd ditch my RC-50 for this, but it might be nice to not have to carry another big floor unit if all I really need is a simple looper.

The larger box isn't that much bigger. I had visions of a behemoth the size of a Vox Tonelab SE when I wrote that. And I voted against more I/Os because they would have made the box longer. But now that Boss put in the extra CTL pedal, I wish that they had added XLR outs in that blank space on the back panel.

The USB is a nice touch, but more for robust upgrade delivery than anything else.

I could still care less about a computer-based patch editor. It looks like the new UI obviates the need for the one useful thing the GT-Pro editor did for my GT-8: displaying EQ curves.

I have my fingers crossed that Boss didn't actually take away any deep editing functionality to accommodate the quick tone (or whatever they're calling it) UI. I've spent some time with the VG-99 and am hoping that the GT-10 takes a similar approach to the UI.

Things that I did want in the GT-10:
internal universal power supply
lower noise floor
clipping indicator
better pitch-shifting
EH-2 emulation
in-the-box tutorial DVDDoesn't appear that I got #3. That would've been nice.

A clean miss on #1 as well. However, the fact that Boss has switched to a (I hope) standard 9V power supply means that I should be able to buy a third-party switching power supply that works worldwide.

The rest or my wishes: I'm going to have to wait and see...

There is no clipping indicator,but there is a db meter that can help reduce clipping by setting it to 3/4.

To access the db meter you have to press 3 times on the system button and then play a note and adjust the meter to 3/4 with the parameter keys.Turn the dial wheel and set the db meters for all effects too. With this setting you will reduce lots of clipping and fizz.

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was ..cold here today..anybody else notice..?...brrrrrr..unusual for this part of Texas..


even at this time of year...and stuff...


..dammit..keep losin my glasses..this the right thread?

I saw a ..a..car today!!..I did..came right by the house..!

[Bierball]

My wish list would be:

1. Graphic eq (done from what I have seen)
2. Ability to use the Solo function without having to use the preamp (?)
3. Looper (check)
4. Ducking delay (?)
5. Better dynamics, especially on clean tones (seems promising)
6. Compare button (?)
7. USB jack (check)
8. Guitar synth (a REAL one)
9. Built-in A/B-box (nope)
10. Whammy with more options (dont know)

By the way, does the USB-jack mean I can play backing tracks from my USB Flash Drive?

[pAtU]

By the way, does the USB-jack mean I can play backing tracks from my USB Flash Drive?

Most likely not.

Cheers,
Leonardo

[bemymonkey]

Only works with consumer level. 4cm wont work with my or many other peoples amps.

Sorry to bing this back up from page 3, but wrong, wrong, wrong. 4CM works fine with the RG100SC (G1 & G2), RH200, RH200SC and RH150G3 (probably all the other RG/RH amps as well, but those're just the ones I've used 4CM with)... they all have a ground loop problem (solveable with a ground lift box), but the line level output is no problem at all - just use a send level of 100 and a return level of 24 on the GT-8 loop (FX Loop levels on the amp full up), and you're all set.

[WILDWILL]

was ..cold here today..anybody else notice..?...brrrrrr..unusual for this part of Texas..


even at this time of year...and stuff...


..dammit..keep losin my glasses..this the right thread?

I saw a ..a..car today!!..I did..came right by the house..!

I usually love the colder weather, WITHOUT THE RAIN THOUGH!

WW

[DeRigueur]

Cold? It snowed here last Saturday. First time in 15 years.

[DeRigueur]

By the way, does the USB-jack mean I can play backing tracks from my USB Flash Drive?
The gt10 has the square usb connector (forgot if they call it A or B), not the flat rectangular one needed for connecting a flash drive.

[mwc2112]

The gt10 has the square usb connector (forgot if they call it A or B), not the flat rectangular one needed for connecting a flash drive.

That's just the format of the connector. There are cables to convert between the two. However, the GT10 would need to be equipped with a flash-drive reader and a music decoder/player to make use of it.

[TieDyedDevil]

There is no clipping indicator,but there is a db meter that can help reduce clipping by setting it to 3/4.

To access the db meter you have to press 3 times on the system button and then play a note and adjust the meter to 3/4 with the parameter keys.Turn the dial wheel and set the db meters for all effects too. With this setting you will reduce lots of clipping and fizz.

I know about the meters and use them. A digital clipping indicator (along with a status screen to tell you which stage clipped) would still be useful.

[Zane72]

I know about the meters and use them. A digital clipping indicator (along with a status screen to tell you which stage clipped) would still be useful.

Yes I agree.

[mboss77]

Sorry to bing this back up from page 3, but wrong, wrong, wrong. 4CM works fine with the RG100SC (G1 & G2), RH200, RH200SC and RH150G3 (probably all the other RG/RH amps as well, but those're just the ones I've used 4CM with)... they all have a ground loop problem (solveable with a ground lift box), but the line level output is no problem at all - just use a send level of 100 and a return level of 24 on the GT-8 loop (FX Loop levels on the amp full up), and you're all set.


That's what I had thought also (Frenchfries had suggested that to him a while back first), but it still didn't work very well with his rig. If you read over his posts he tried about every trick that he and others could think of.


In regards to the XLR outs, I get the distinct impression that Boss is really trying preserve the "pro" aspect of the GT-Pro by deliberately keeping certain aspects off of the GT8 and GT10. So far off the top I've my head I noticed the XLRs, the editor software, the sub outs, the pro line-level compatability, multiple effects loops, extra external sub-controllers.

Some of this might be too costly too include (multiple effects loops), but some would be a no-brainer such as the editing software. It's interesting that they have created two distinct levels of products and have really stuck to their own marketing plan despite that in some people's view, they are leaving off some important things that their competitors are including on their units. They do this simply so that their upper-level unit (GTPro) looks more complete and professional, despite the fact that their really isn't much direct competition for it in it's price range.

Would the GT-Pro really not sell very well if the GT-10 had XLR and an editor? Would people abandon it in favor of the GT8 (now GT10)?

[bemymonkey]

Whoops! I think I know what the problem is - I assumed that the amp he was talking about was the RH200 - but I suppose he means the MTS, which has pro-level line outputs (i.e. the kind of FX loop that doesn't even take regular stompboxes)... my bad!

[WILDWILL]

Whoops! I think I know what the problem is - I assumed that the amp he was talking about was the RH200 - but I suppose he means the MTS, which has pro-level line outputs (i.e. the kind of FX loop that doesn't even take regular stompboxes)... my bad!

Hey bemymonkey, I think you said that you have tried the GT-8 with a Randall G3 series amp correct? How did the GT-8 preamp models sound with it? For that matter how did the G3 amp sound without the GT-8, do you prefer the Randall's own natural amp sound, or the GT-8 preamps through it?

WW

[Disasterxpieces]

Whoops! I think I know what the problem is - I assumed that the amp he was talking about was the RH200 - but I suppose he means the MTS, which has pro-level line outputs (i.e. the kind of FX loop that doesn't even take regular stompboxes)... my bad!

Yep MTS has pro level loops, I used my 8 with my RH200 just fine and it has a ground/lift button on the amp :)

The pro loops wont take stomps and overloads the 8 very quickly, I did try the suggested loop settings ie. lowering input and increasing the output but since the gt8 outputs 0db max and the MTS is running at +4db the signal is weak and then when the MTS is outputting +4db and the 8's loops are -10 it clips very fast. It does work at low volumes since the preamp level increase the loop level also but not volumes suitable for gigging or even decent tone.

Don't want to hijack the thread :) Looks like I'll be buying a line level shifter......... hope they dont suck tone.

[mboss77]

Yep MTS has pro level loops, I used my 8 with my RH200 just fine and it has a ground/lift button on the amp :)

The pro loops wont take stomps and overloads the 8 very quickly, I did try the suggested loop settings ie. lowering input and increasing the output but since the gt8 outputs 0db max and the MTS is running at +4db the signal is weak and then when the MTS is outputting +4db and the 8's loops are -10 it clips very fast. It does work at low volumes since the preamp level increase the loop level also but not volumes suitable for gigging or even decent tone.

Don't want to hijack the thread :) Looks like I'll be buying a line level shifter......... hope they dont suck tone.


No, its all good. I would say for your needs, this constitutes a strong wish list so you are right on topic. In fact, you've definitely educated me on something to be tuned into when buying gear so I thank you.

[Disasterxpieces]

No, its all good. I would say for your needs, this constitutes a strong wish list so you are right on topic. In fact, you've definitely educated me on something to be tuned into when buying gear so I thank you.

Did you really ever doubt me? ;) :)

[mboss77]

Did you really ever doubt me? ;) :)

Never ever!

[bemymonkey]

Hey bemymonkey, I think you said that you have tried the GT-8 with a Randall G3 series amp correct? How did the GT-8 preamp models sound with it? For that matter how did the G3 amp sound without the GT-8, do you prefer the Randall's own natural amp sound, or the GT-8 preamps through it?

WW

Hi Wildwill - I LOVE the Randall sound, so I use that for my basic vanilla distortion sounds, but when I need something a little more specialized I'll run the GT-8 preamps through the poweramp (so 4CM with Loop off, basically - and on the JC-120 return setting), and it sounds great.

I've tried a bunch of other amps for running straight into the poweramp, and with the exception of the JC120 (about the same in terms of overall performance - the Randall is tighter in the lower regions, whereas the JC120 kicks ass in terms of clarity and upper mid definition), this one sounds pretty much better than any others I've tried. The Tech21 Power Engine wasn't bad either, but I'm assuming I just like it because it sounds similar to my Randall because they use the same speakers ;)...

Atomic was okay, but I was only able to get my hands on the little 18 watt (or was it 20 watt?) model, and that was just too flabby in the bass for my taste when I had it running at high volumes...


In regards to G1vsG2vsG3 - there isn't that much of a difference in poweramp terms - the G3 isn't quite as tight, but depending on the tube you use, you can get quite a bit more clarity than the G1 and G2 models, almost on par with a JC120.

[dodo]

That it's free!!!

[OvrWownd]

[QUOTE a third-party switching power supply that works worldwide.
QUOTE]

Really! You can get these?

Edit I think I messed that quote up somehow. Oh well!

[TieDyedDevil]

"a third-party switching power supply that works worldwide"

http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm

[OvrWownd]

"a third-party switching power supply that works worldwide"

http://www.visualsound.net/1spot.htm

Very Cool! thanks for the link.

[wfranklin]

1. Amp models that sound worth hearing as soon as you flip to them would be nice. I hated having to tweak the gt8 for like 15 minutes just to get something that sounded like a vague approximation of a real amplifier. I want to be able to just flip to an amp sim and not have it sound so thin and tiny.

2. I wish the Pedal Bend would track like more the digitech whammy in the high register.

3. I wish the new unit were upgradeable. I hate having to shell out money for a whole new device every time they come out with some new features. I wish we could just update the amp models in this, but there's also issues with processor power so whatever.

4. I wish we could move gt8 sounds to the gt10 because we've all invested a lot of time in getting good tones in our machines. I'd hate to just leave that behind for a new shinny box.

5. I wish that the new unit would have better wahs. That was a shortcoming on the gt8.

6. I wish the gt10's interface was controllable like the iphone is with a fully touch operated screen and built in wi-fi for posting on this forum (jk)

7. A noise free power supply (may have been done)

8. A better noise gate would also be cool.

9. An eq that had more specifically assignable frequencies and more selection points.

10. MULTIPLE LOOPS!!!!!!!!!

[whiteop]

I buy the GT-8 they come out with the G-10 a month later!....<hangs his head in disgust>

I hope the GT-10 has fizz too....lol

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I buy the GT-8 they come out with the G-10 a month later!....<hangs his head in disgust>

I hope the GT-10 has fizz too....lol

If it doesn't I think there's plenty of people that could dial it in for you. (lol)

..bet I could even do it..8O

[DeRigueur]

If it doesn't I think there's plenty of people that could dial it in for you. (lol)

..bet I could even do it..8O
Patchmaker, Patchmaker,
Make me a Patch,
Loan me the tone,
to sound just like Satch
Patchmaker, Patchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect patch

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Patchmaker, Patchmaker,
Make me a Patch,
Loan me the tone,
to sound just like Satch
Patchmaker, Patchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect patch

....:horns:.........:rocker:.....:icon_lol:

want fries with that ? (lol)

[lp_bruce]

Patchmaker, Patchmaker,
Make me a Patch,
Loan me the tone,
to sound just like Satch
Patchmaker, Patchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect patch

Very good.

Peace,

[WILDWILL]

Patchmaker, Patchmaker,
Make me a Patch,
Loan me the tone,
to sound just like Satch
Patchmaker, Patchmaker
Look through your book,
And make me a perfect patch

TRADITION!!!!....TRADITION!!!!....TRADITION!

[DeRigueur]

It's been a long time since I saw Fiddler up a Roof.

[WILDWILL]

It's been a long time since I saw Fiddler up a Roof.


Yeh, me too! It's probably the only musical m ovie that I ever liked, definitely a classic.

WW

[mwc2112]

1. Amp models that sound worth hearing as soon as you flip to them would be nice. I hated having to tweak the gt8 for like 15 minutes just to get something that sounded like a vague approximation of a real amplifier. I want to be able to just flip to an amp sim and not have it sound so thin and tiny.

To be fair, a lot of decent amps out there doesn't sound all that great with everything set to 12:00. It usually takes some EQ'ing to get it how you like it and the GT8 isn't any different.


3. I wish the new unit were upgradeable. I hate having to shell out money for a whole new device every time they come out with some new features. I wish we could just update the amp models in this, but there's also issues with processor power so whatever.

Probably not a question of processor power but rather a question of memory to store new code in the firmware. The GT8 (and I assume the GT10) was certainly upgradable since they had a flashable firmware. Of course if they don't leave themselves enough room to do an upgrade, it kind of defeats the purpoes. ;-)


4. I wish we could move gt8 sounds to the gt10 because we've all invested a lot of time in getting good tones in our machines. I'd hate to just leave that behind for a new shinny box.

I'm sure you'll be able to at least manually move most of them over. But here's the thing, if you spent so much time making tones for a box that most think have flawed preamp modeling and then they release something that has improved modeling (as we all hope for the GT10), then your patches aren't likely going to copy over without some significant tweaking anyway. Personally I'm going to start from scratch because I want to see what the GT10 can do and not be constrained by what it took to get the GT8 sounding good.


5. I wish that the new unit would have better wahs. That was a shortcoming on the gt8.

I always thought the wahs were pretty good... some of the better digital wahs. I liked them much better then Line 6's.


6. I wish the gt10's interface was controllable like the iphone is with a fully touch operated screen and built in wi-fi for posting on this forum (jk)

Or a cable with little pads on it that you put on your head and read your brainwaves to know exactly the sound you're thinking of. That would be sweet! :-D


7. A noise free power supply (may have been done)

Hmm... never really noticed this problem before. I guess I've been lucky.


8. A better noise gate would also be cool.

Yeah, well, Boss has never been known for this. They should just buy ISP Tech and incorporate the Decimator in their product line. :-)


9. An eq that had more specifically assignable frequencies and more selection points.

Definitely agree with that one.

And #11... for the love of everything good and decent in this world... balanced XLR outputs!!! I'd love not to have to carry a DI box with me.

[DeRigueur]

There's a handy feature on the gt5 which should have been retained. A dot on the display lights up when a patch has been altered and disappears when the patch is written. They just don't make 'em like they used to.

[mwc2112]

The AxeFX has that feature. Don't some of the Rocktron units have that too? Anyway, it's a really nifty feature.

[DeRigueur]

Oh, so that's why the AxeFx costs so much. :)

[DeRigueur]

Probably not a question of processor power but rather a question of memory to store new code in the firmware.
What makes you say that? I would have thought that throwing more gigaflops at a computational problem was the way to better results.

[mwc2112]

What makes you say that? I would have thought that throwing more gigaflops at a computational problem was the way to better results.

Well, he was mainly talking about adding new amp models. That wouldn't require any additional processing power, just room to store the code.

But, you're right if you're talking about upgrading the actual modeling algorithms... then they may need more processing power.

However, one thing to note... a better processor doesn't mean better tone if the code is the same. A GT8 with the same code and a more powerful processor is going to sound the same as it does now.

[Boom]

I'm still using my GT3. I bought a GT8 but to my ears it didn't sound as good (even though it was definately quieter!) So I got rid of it. However, I'm definately gonna try the GT-10!

My wish list (apologies if some of these are already onthe GT8 - I didn't use it for long!).

1: Graphic EQ - Hurrah at last they've done it! What were they playing at b4?

2: The wahs on GTs are garbage - listening to the gt10 demo I don't think they've improved much. I wish Boss could do a deal with Jim Dunlop in the same way they recently done with Fender. Imagine a real Crybaby at the end of your GT!!

3) 2 FX loops would have been really uselful - so you could use 4CM and also patch in a separate ovedrive. Though we'd be moving into TC G System territory.

4) Additional control pedal is handy.

5) The display scream looks cool but some of those icons look a bit gimmicky to me.

6) Thank god they didn't put a valve in it!!

7) Volume on the top! At Last!!!! Why was it ever on the side? Bearing in mind you have to set these at a certain point (normally 7 o'clockish) to get normal 'gtr' level. It meant crawling around on the floor b4 a gig/soundcheck to check it was in the right spot.

8) Someone else questioned whether the EZ tone funtion will mean deep editiing has been removed - I bloody hope not!!

Roll on April

[Kassanova]

There's a handy feature on the gt5 which should have been retained. A dot on the display lights up when a patch has been altered and disappears when the patch is written. They just don't make 'em like they used to.

The Zoom units have a similar feature. Its very useful. I still like the idea of an undo button/process for patches. Its necessary.
I've also been doing some studying with regards to the whole valve/tube issue and I'm glad they didn't do it. Once you have a better understanding of how starved plates work, then you see how its easy to choose NOT to go that route with processing. Vox uses a different method that seems to be working a bit better but I'm sure its patented.

[bemymonkey]

1: Graphic EQ - Hurrah at last they've done it! What were they playing at b4?


Ummm... what? A 4-band EQ with fully parametric mids like on the GT-8 kicks a graphic EQ's ass ANY day in my book. You just have to know how to use 'em... I hope they don't restrict users to the graphic equalizer only...

[amenity421]

Hmmm. Check out what Damage control has to offer... they do great stuff with tubes and when you run a demonizer through the FX loop on your GT 8. its freaking awesome. As heard on my bands recording here: www.myspace.com/amenitymusic

Damage controls site is: www.damagecontrolusa.com

Seriously guys, check em out. they are hardcore.


Cherrs to all!
Ted

[orcatraz]

I've had one serious beef with all the GT series editing quirks. Let's say you're editing say, Variable Assign #5. If you have to go to the assigned effect module to tweak it, when you go back to the Variable Assigns, you have to button push your way back to Assign #5 or worse, #8! Aargh! Its so tedious and uslessly time consuming but a simple edit buffer would really help here. I hope they put one in.

Speaking of edit buffers, a "Compare" button would really help too. That way you could keep track of the changes you're making and have the option of changing your mind.

Orc.

[WeekendRockstar]

I've had one serious beef with all the GT series editing quirks. Let's say you're editing say, Variable Assign #5. If you have to go to the assigned effect module to tweak it, when you go back to the Variable Assigns, you have to button push your way back to Assign #5 or worse, #8! Aargh! Its so tedious and uslessly time consuming but a simple edit buffer would really help here. I hope they put one in.

Speaking of edit buffers, a "Compare" button would really help too. That way you could keep track of the changes you're making and have the option of changing your mind.

Orc.

You hold the left arrow button down while pressing the right and you zoom through the Assigns without going through each parameter.

[orcatraz]

You hold the left arrow button down while pressing the right and you zoom through the Assigns without going through each parameter.

Thanks but I know that trick WR. You're still having to go through each one sequentially and that's not just lame it's frikkin' stupid. It should remember that last thing you were editing to speed up the editing chores. Sorry but this has always made me nuts - it's just bad design and lack of forethought on Roland's part.

O

[orcatraz]

OK. I just got a rude little surprise recently. I was creating some patches on my newly acquired GT-6 (bought it from a friend as a backup modeler) and as I started to set up some assigns, I noticed that the GT-6 retains the last assign you were working on when you go to edit its target effect! If the GT-6 has this, what in tarnation possessed Roland/Boss to not include that in the GT-8? Because of this feature, getting my gigging patches ready on the GT-6 took no time at all. I really hope they wise up and remember to include this feature in the GT-10.

O.

[Kassanova]

See. Thats why I have a love/hate relationship with Boss/Roland. Its not only what they add but what they deliberately leave out that pisses me off with their products. They really need to quit the practice of holding back features and just give people what they want. Things like XLR jacks, an editor, better editing routing features within the firmware and things of that nature aren't things that would drive the price of the unit sky high because other companies off these same things. They just want to sell a "Pro" version in rack form and get you to buy that expensive FC300 foot controller. Its their greed that makes them less appealing to me. If this thing doesn't kill everything else in its price range then I'm just gonna bite the bullet and go for an Axe-FX. It actually does everything and does it all well and unconditionally. I'm growing sick of limitations and deliberate limitations are just downright insulting.

[orcatraz]

See. Thats why I have a love/hate relationship with Boss/Roland. Its not only what they add but what they deliberately leave out that pisses me off with their products. They really need to quit the practice of holding back features and just give people what they want. Things like XLR jacks, an editor, better editing routing features within the firmware and things of that nature aren't things that would drive the price of the unit sky high because other companies off these same things. They just want to sell a "Pro" version in rack form and get you to buy that expensive FC300 foot controller. Its their greed that makes them less appealing to me. If this thing doesn't kill everything else in its price range then I'm just gonna bite the bullet and go for an Axe-FX. It actually does everything and does it all well and unconditionally. I'm growing sick of limitations and deliberate limitations are just downright insulting.

Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that the feature I liked was removed out of greed. It's not like it's a big marketable feature so that just wouldn't make sense. I think it's a simple case of oversight on Roland's part. As for deliberate limitations, I can't really begrudge them that either. They are after all a business and they have a right to diversify and create high, middle and low level products just like any company does to make money. They have a right to make money as do we all. If they just crammed it all into one product like Fractal's AxeFX, they'd have to price it like Fractal's unit and sell substantially fewer of them. Smaller companies like Fractal can do this more practically than large ones like Roland because they have a much lower overhead and operating costs. Corporations like Roland pretty much have no choice but to diversify their products not just to maximize profits but to cover the costs of a myriad of less profitable products and R&D. I'm sure that there is no one product that's their bread winner. They have to rely on all their products to make money. For a company their size, I seriously doubt that the GT series is their champion money maker. Hey, at least they DO spend money on R&D unlike Line 6. My irritation with the GT-8 is just that - an irritation. I still think they make a great product despite its limitations and quirks. There will never be any product or any thing that has no limitations - intentional or otherwise and it would be foolish to think that Fractal isn't holding anything back. That would be financial suicide. They have to hold some things back to ensure that they have something better to offer in the future and be able to stay in business. That's just necessity. Can we really begrudge them or any company that?
As for the XLR outs, I've never had any issues with the GT-8's 1/4" outs and typically, DIs sound better than the built in XLR outs of most MFX units that do have them.
Just my 2 cents.
Orc.

[Muckquaikerjawbreaker]

My top ten (bear in mind I don't have a GT-8, I have used them and read a lot about them though.)

1. Better amp control (make the jack stereo).
Doesn't look like it according to the specs.

2. Kill dry.
?

3. Better preamps/ODs.
Looking promising so far.

4. Easier to use.
Yes.

5. FX3.
Nope.

6. Editor.
Yeah! :horns:

7. Second CTL pedal.
Yep. :icon_mrgreen:

8. USB.
Yes.

9. Better screen.
Yes.

10. Make all effects interchangeable.
Yah.


Looks like I got most of what I wanted. :icon_mrgreen:

[Kassanova]

Just my 2 cents.
Orc.

We just have to agree to disagree. While I completely understand the company's need to make money via diversifying their line into subgroups, the features I speak of are features that other companies have included as well as some of their prior units. It is unreasonable to actually believe that Boss/Roland will have to jack their prices sky high just to add in XLR jacks, an editor, and simple things like effects parameters and routing and switching features, the ability to separate the use of cab and amp sims, etc. etc. etc. I'm no one's apologist, not Boss's or anyone else's. Just because they are a big company doesn't mean that my expectations as a consumer diminish or take exceptions because of that. Some of the things they hold back on, they simply don't have to and when other companies put out their "flagship" processors, they don't. There will always be something somewhere that someone wanted included that's not but practical things like XLR jacks are more of a necessity.
I'm an engineer as well as a musician. No XLR jacks means direct boxes. Its hard to call your product "pro" and not take into consideration that practically every "pro" effects unit employs the use of XLR jacks. I have to assume that this is their flagship floorboard and not their flagship effects unit and that there will be a GT-10 pro, otherwise, they are actually taking a step backwards. Every "pro" mixing board I've ever laid hands on was XLR based, not 1/4" jack based. Surely you know this to be true. XLR > 1/4". I also disagree that DIs sound better. That is completely dependent on which DI you buy and compared to what built in XLRs you are using. All of that is subjective on a piece-by-piece basis. There are plenty of crap DI boxes on the market.
My issues with Boss are not directly connected to my desire to move up to an Axe-FX. There just comes a time when you get tired of settling. My point is that irritations like what Boss does with the purposely withholding of features contribute to the desire to stop settling. If I had to pay another $50-$75 bucks to be happier with a unit than to not have those things (XLRs, an editor, etc.) then I'd pay it. As a further slap in the face, they included XLRs on the GT-10B. How's that for a big ol' "eff you"? I'm not being unreasonable for wanting simple things that they CAN put there but choose not to. I'm sorry if you feel that way but its not only within the realm of cost-effective possibility but is actually being done on other units. An editor is doable with little to no extra cost. XLRs are already on the bass unit which is almost identical to the guitar unit. Software features are upgradeable through firmware. It can be done. It irritates me when Boss WON'T which leads me to the conclusion that the reason they won't is so that they can sell a "pro" rack which will require the FC300 which will add to the cost ala the GT-Pro. Is that so far-fetched?

[orcatraz]

We just have to agree to disagree. While I completely understand the company's need to make money via diversifying their line into subgroups, the features I speak of are features that other companies have included as well as some of their prior units. It is unreasonable to actually believe that Boss/Roland will have to jack their prices sky high just to add in XLR jacks, an editor, and simple things like effects parameters and routing and switching features, the ability to separate the use of cab and amp sims, etc. etc. etc. I'm no one's apologist, not Boss's or anyone else's. Just because they are a big company doesn't mean that my expectations as a consumer diminish or take exceptions because of that. Some of the things they hold back on, they simply don't have to and when other companies put out their "flagship" processors, they don't. There will always be something somewhere that someone wanted included that's not but practical things like XLR jacks are more of a necessity.
I'm an engineer as well as a musician. No XLR jacks means direct boxes. Its hard to call your product "pro" and not take into consideration that practically every "pro" effects unit employs the use of XLR jacks. I have to assume that this is their flagship floorboard and not their flagship effects unit and that there will be a GT-10 pro, otherwise, they are actually taking a step backwards. Every "pro" mixing board I've ever laid hands on was XLR based, not 1/4" jack based. Surely you know this to be true. XLR > 1/4". I also disagree that DIs sound better. That is completely dependent on which DI you buy and compared to what built in XLRs you are using. All of that is subjective on a piece-by-piece basis. There are plenty of crap DI boxes on the market.
My issues with Boss are not directly connected to my desire to move up to an Axe-FX. There just comes a time when you get tired of settling. My point is that irritations like what Boss does with the purposely withholding of features contribute to the desire to stop settling. If I had to pay another $50-$75 bucks to be happier with a unit than to not have those things (XLRs, an editor, etc.) then I'd pay it. As a further slap in the face, they included XLRs on the GT-10B. How's that for a big ol' "eff you"? I'm not being unreasonable for wanting simple things that they CAN put there but choose not to. I'm sorry if you feel that way but its not only within the realm of cost-effective possibility but is actually being done on other units. An editor is doable with little to no extra cost. XLRs are already on the bass unit which is almost identical to the guitar unit. Software features are upgradeable through firmware. It can be done. It irritates me when Boss WON'T which leads me to the conclusion that the reason they won't is so that they can sell a "pro" rack which will require the FC300 which will add to the cost ala the GT-Pro. Is that so far-fetched?


OK. I have to agree that it is a wee bit odd that they'd include XLR's on the GT-10B but not the GT-10 - very strange indeed. Still I believe that built-in XLR outs does not necessarily mean a god sounding signal - balanced yes but better? I'm not too sure about that. To assure a higher quality signal coming out of an XLR connector as compared to 1/4" would definitely cost more as good quality transformers used in good DIs don't come cheap. If you go on the cheap with the transformers, you get crappy sound so what would the advantage of having XLR outputs be? This leads me to doubt the quality of the GT-10Bs XLR outs. I think people put way too much stock in the presumed improvement in sound quality in XLR connections.
As for "Pro" mixing boards, would you name some brands that only have XLR connections for the inputs? Unless you consider Mackie mixers to name one to not be "Pro", I've yet to see a good quality mixer from a reputable brand without both XLR and 1/4". If I'm having to connect to a snake connected to a distant mixing board, I'd much rather use a good DI than any built-in XLR outs.
A software editor is absolutely NOT a little or no cost item. Are you under the assumption that they don't have to pay anyone to write the code for that editor? And before you say, "Well what about Mr. Sleepys editor", well for him, it's a hobby not a business. And while Mr. Sleep's editor works and is useful, it's not exactly a model of elegant design worthy of becoming a commercial product. It's pretty crude - no offense Mr. Sleepy, but it doesn't compare to the GT-Pro's editor. That level of refinement costs money - no ifs and or buts. That's just reality. I can't blame Roland for making it only for the GT-Pro, it cost them money to design it so they only include it with their more expensive model.
I do understand that Roland could make a much better effort in releasing firmware upgrades to improve their existing products. They really ought to separate the preamps from the cab sims but I'm not positive this is doable via a firmware update. Then again, maybe too many people were toasting their GT-8s when they do the update improperly. It is also unreasonable for them to not release an an editor for the GT-8 and GT-10 for a nominal fee. I'd gladly pay.
As for intentional limitations on products, do you think Roland is the only company who does this? Hardly. Every manufacturer with multi-tiered product models does exactly the same thing. Look at Line 6. Their new X3s may have XLR outs but it still can't do all the things the GT8 does. Limitations? Absolutely. Intentional? Who knows. Incompetence/Hubris? ...Possibly. Take Honda and their Accord. You can only get the really cool options on the more expensive models - but that's how they make their money.
Every company has at minimum, one completely infuriating characteristic. Roland has a few, Line 6 even more and so on and so on. I'm not an apologist, that's just life.

O

[Kassanova]

Since they already have editors, it stands to reason that the development of one for this unit is not a grand effort on their part. Have you seen the VG-99 editor? I'm sorry but I know too many programmers. The Boss/Roland editors are not works of genius. I don't think its too outlandish to ask for and editor, a couple of XLR jacks (until you've used them, you can't say their crap - let's not assume they are) and a few fixes to some features. I'm expecting there to be a Boss GT-10Pro. I have no problems with that. My point was simply that they could have added them and they didn't. Its not a dealbreaker for me or anything but Roland seems to set a ceiling for their Boss line.
Their true flagship processor is the VG-99. If the 10 is on par with it soundwise, I'll gladly buy one.

Hey, how does that GSP1101 sound compared to the GT-8?

[gone]

If we're ever gonna get a GT that can satisfy everybody we really gotta get Kassanova on the "Boss Team" lol.

[Kassanova]

Since I skipped on buying an 8, I'm actually more than likely going to pick one up.
My choices are to get a 10, get a VG-99 or hold off and save up a few bucks and get an Axe-FX Ultra. The allure of the Axe-FX is strong but its not something Roland/Boss is competing with so for them its a non-issue. Eventide is probably sweating a little bit but there is still a waiting list for the Axe-FX so impatient people shopping for a high end MFX would pick up an Eclipse and be done.
Since I have to buy other things for my studio, I can't justify spending a lot of dough purely on guitar gear. The studio takes priority. I just want this unit to be good enough for me not to feel like I should have waited, that's all.
If it sounds good, I'm probably in. I will A & B it against the VG-99 first before I buy it, though.

[gone]

@Kassinova...I was merely cracking a joke about the line that you ommited from post #109 lol (I have a weird way of catching these things)... I hope that whatever you get will be satisfactory...I'll be sticking with the 8 myself (can't afford a 10 anyway lol).

Gem~

[orcatraz]

Since they already have editors, it stands to reason that the development of one for this unit is not a grand effort on their part. Have you seen the VG-99 editor? I'm sorry but I know too many programmers. The Boss/Roland editors are not works of genius. I don't think its too outlandish to ask for and editor, a couple of XLR jacks (until you've used them, you can't say their crap - let's not assume they are) and a few fixes to some features. I'm expecting there to be a Boss GT-10Pro. I have no problems with that. My point was simply that they could have added them and they didn't. Its not a dealbreaker for me or anything but Roland seems to set a ceiling for their Boss line.
Their true flagship processor is the VG-99. If the 10 is on par with it soundwise, I'll gladly buy one.

Hey, how does that GSP1101 sound compared to the GT-8?

Man, the 1101 is the most natural feeling modeler I've ever played. Great in the tone department too - no fizz that I can detect. I actually really love it but I'm just not sure how it would fair for live use. Maybe it's because I've come to really rely on the GT-8's routing flexibility for live gigs. Mind you, the 1101 is a damn fine sounding unit so it may work just fine. Maybe I rely on the GT-8's flexibility to compensate for its weak spots. I may not need to do that with the GSP. Hmmm...

I haven't played with the VG-99, have you? What's it like? Not that I need another modeler. Heh-heh.

O

[Kassanova]

The VG-99 sounds really good, however, it sounds a little plastic to me. Don't get me wrong, its a great piece of gear. Its less natural sounding than a lot of other pieces, though. The guitar emulation is the best I've heard and your possibilities are endless. There's no real limits to how you can combine effects and you can process you guitar's tone separately from an emulated guitar that you created and combine them together if you like. Still, it sounds a little artificial. Its the Pamela Anderson of guitar processors. Yeah, she's hot but she's not 100% natural. Maybe one day, these companies will come up with perfect aural emulation but for now, its close but not quite. Still, for what it is its a great piece. As I said, its the real "flagship processor" from Roland.

[monsta_sonix]

My No. 1 wish for the GT-10 is that Boss gives you one of the friggin' things to put yas out of your misery!!! :)

Actually I'm a bit surprised someone from this forum hasn't managed to score one by now through some sort of back door / calling in favours / industry contact etc. type shenannigans.

Not long now.... I hope......

[orcatraz]

The VG-99 sounds really good, however, it sounds a little plastic to me. Don't get me wrong, its a great piece of gear. Its less natural sounding than a lot of other pieces, though. The guitar emulation is the best I've heard and your possibilities are endless. There's no real limits to how you can combine effects and you can process you guitar's tone separately from an emulated guitar that you created and combine them together if you like. Still, it sounds a little artificial. Its the Pamela Anderson of guitar processors. Yeah, she's hot but she's not 100% natural. Maybe one day, these companies will come up with perfect aural emulation but for now, its close but not quite. Still, for what it is its a great piece. As I said, its the real "flagship processor" from Roland.

HAH! The Pamela Anderson of guitar processors - I love it! Have you heard the Fishman Aura for acoustic guitar? If those guys ever decide ever decide to get into the electric guitar emulation racket Roland AND Line 6 would really have something to worry about.

O.

[Stratman68]

There is no clipping indicator,but there is a db meter that can help reduce clipping by setting it to 3/4.

To access the db meter you have to press 3 times on the system button and then play a note and adjust the meter to 3/4 with the parameter keys.Turn the dial wheel and set the db meters for all effects too. With this setting you will reduce lots of clipping and fizz.

OK, I cannot find any db meter? Where is it?
Thanks

[klause]

If you're in the fx chain edit page, there's a meter on the top of the screen that I think meters the output of whatever effect you are hovering over on the screen. one of the display modes also has a mater on the side (i think its just the final output level)

[rocker41]

The top of my list would be to have true bypass. I still haven't mastered how to set this damn thing up to not color my sound. I always get some coloring going on, and i don't always want some processed sound. Sometimes I just want to hear the sound of my amp. I use the four cable method. I recently had to reset everything on the GT-10 and couldn't back it up so now all my patches are lost. What settings do I mess with to keep the tone of my amp uncolored. Does anyone have a sticky note on that subject or is there anyone out there who can help me.

thanks for any help

[bombadil]

As one of the items in my top ten list I would like to see more comprehensive and more specific choices for the Output Select. Instead of just "Combo Amp" or "Stack Amp", I would like to see, for instance, "Marshall JCM 2000", "Fender Blues Jr.", "Mesa Boogie Lonestar", etc.. They did it for the "Roland JC-120", their own amp. How about including at a minimum a good selection of the best selling amps and a few of the boutique amps. An occasional firmware update adding new amps would be nice too (just dreaming).

[RustyFalcon]

If I had to guess I'd say there are copyright and corporate law issues associated with Roland/Boss using those names.


As one of the items in my top ten list I would like to see more comprehensive and more specific choices for the Output Select. Instead of just "Combo Amp" or "Stack Amp", I would like to see, for instance, "Marshall JCM 2000", "Fender Blues Jr.", "Mesa Boogie Lonestar", etc.. They did it for the "Roland JC-120", their own amp. How about including at a minimum a good selection of the best selling amps and a few of the boutique amps. An occasional firmware update adding new amps would be nice too (just dreaming).

[bombadil]

If I had to guess I'd say there are copyright and corporate law issues associated with Roland/Boss using those names.

I am sure you are correct that there are copyright permissions to get, however many of the modeling amps and MFX units use the name of effects and amps they model or something close to them. I think most companies probably would be amenable to their usage because it amounts to free advertising for their product. For those who deny usage of their copyrighted name Boss could use something close as they already do, e.g. "JCM 2000" becomes "Brit 2nd Millenium". :-)

[lp_bruce]

As one of the items in my top ten list I would like to see more comprehensive and more specific choices for the Output Select. Instead of just "Combo Amp" or "Stack Amp", I would like to see, for instance, "Marshall JCM 2000", "Fender Blues Jr.", "Mesa Boogie Lonestar", etc.. They did it for the "Roland JC-120", their own amp. How about including at a minimum a good selection of the best selling amps and a few of the boutique amps. An occasional firmware update adding new amps would be nice too (just dreaming).

Although there are certainly copyright issues, I think the real issue is the sheer quantity of amps out there. They did it for the JC-120 because it's their own flagship amp (though you'll note they didn't do it for the Cubes, etc.). But, for example, which Fenders do they provide as options? All of them? Which Marshalls? Laneys? MESAs? If they provided a separate Output option for all the amps that people are likely to use, the list would be difficult to manage. To say nothing about the development costs.

Peace,

[Ricig]

If it hasn't yet been mentioned (i'm too lazy to read the entire thread - sorry):

I'd just love to see the speaker sim's separated from the preamp like it was on the GT-5. Or just have the ability to use the preamp's "Through" type along with the speaker sim's would suffice.
Along those lines, please build the Resonators into the speaker sim's parameters or provide another module (FX3 ?)
I'd also love to see another pair of line outputs and be able to specify different output select modes for each. This way you could send a gorgeous GT tone to FOH and a separate independent and unfiltered sound to your stereo stage cabs.

[JWDubois]

I'd also love to see another pair of line outputs and be able to specify different output select modes for each. This way you could send a gorgeous GT tone to FOH and a separate independent and unfiltered sound to your stereo stage cabs.[/LIST][/LIST]

+1 on this one

I haven't read the whole thread, sorry for any duplicates.

1. Add all "advanced" compressors to the compressor effect. Toss in adjustable compressor bypass.

2. Why have dedicated effects blocks at all? Go the AxeFX route and let the blocks do anything within the processor's power constraints.

3. Give the Master and System eqs the same parameters as the Effects eq.

4. Please, please move the effects "Level" adjustment to the top of the edit lists.

5. Add "page up/down" buttons to speed editing. Make the "Enter" button larger.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty satisfied as it is.

JWW

[phasertone]

I would like to add nos. 11 & 12 to your top ten list:

11. Add an auxilliary stereo input for cd player/mp3 player/iPod
12. Ability to download and save mp3 files internally (for practicing with backing tracks)

[Monz]

I definitely disagree about the compressors. The way its set up now, we can basically run two compressors in series, and get a decent byrds sound finally!

[Randall_d]

Not to say they should be taken out of the FX banks. But the advanced compressors be added to the compressor module (yes, you could get 3 compressors at once). That way if you wanted to use an advanced compressor, you wouldn't have to tie up either FX module.

[SLICK]

I think my top wishes for the GT-10 are:

1) A Fully featured looper

A Stop command. Not just mute while it carries on playing in the background but to be able to stop the playback and then start it from the start of the recorded sound would be more helpfull IMHO
And some tempo sync. A basic metronome then you could really use the looper in a live situation.
Record a part at the intro of a song then stop it for the verse and chorus then bring it bak in in time for the break. Or record a 'sound effect' and trigger it at any point in the song.
Also I have no idea why the record time is so short! (I suspect that its linked to the max delay time of the delays:evil:) Memory is cheep enough these days that a couple of minutes of recording should not have increased the price too much

2) More buttons

On the GT-8 I could get to my FX chain, Loop, Wah and Assigns all with one press of a button. Now it will take me at least 2 presses and could be up to 7 presses:icon_sad: so much for improved ease of use:oops:.
I find that I am always in messing with the FX chain/the assigns, the 8 made this really fast and easy. I think the real power of the Boss units is the flexability of the the Fx placement and the Control given by the assigns, thats why a lot of folk buy this instead of a line 6 or a zoom but Boss appear to have moved the focus to Amp moddeling and 'simple usage' instead of deep editing which, for me, is a bit of a loss

3) XLR outs

Why would you not? I mean just why?

Apart from that it's perfect.:grin:

[lp_bruce]

Shouldn't this be "Gt-12 Wishlist" now?

As I said while waiting for the GT-10, I'm far less interested in more features than with better tone. To my ear, the GT-10 is a big step forward in this regard. I'd like the GT-12 to continue that progression. The only other features that I'd really like to see would be more/better connectivity (XLR Outs) and a stereo effects loop. I'm easy.

Peace,

[j3yps]

Profiles for different guitar, so you can switch settings (EQ, Comp ETC..) as you switch guitars

[SLICK]

The GT-10 has this to an extent. You can store up to 3 different input level and presence settings to match 3 different guitars

[j3yps]

The GT-10 has this to an extent. You can store up to 3 different input level and presence settings to match 3 different guitars
Oh really? i guess i should read the manual more carefully...hehehe

[morph]

I would very much like a meter or visual cue that could be associated with the expression pedal. I sometimes have to play full on from silence and ankle angle is not a great mechanism for knowing how loud I'm going to be when I do