Details from german Roland website (2 WSP-Chips!)

[Jools]

Hi guys, i don't know if it's been posted yet, but on the german Roland-website they say the GT-10 has 2 WSP-Chips (VG-99 has 3 WSP-Chips).
If you can understand german take a look:

http://www.rolandmusik.de/produkte/GT-10/index.php

They claim to have the power of a whole GT-6 for each ampmodel!:smile:

Also they say they are so convinced of their new editing concept that you don't need a software editor. If you need one it's too complicated - make music instead of programming is their motto.

Personally, I never needed an editor for my GTs but it should be interesting to see how much the edititing concept has changed.
Maybe Radley, or the ones that attended NAMM can comment on this.

I am using my GT-8 as an effects-unit only when playing live coupled with some ODs, but I am interested in making the change to a FRFR/Inear Setup with either the AXE-FX or maybe one of the new Boss units if they hold up.

It's late here and I'm coming from a gig...I have to get some sleep.

Jools

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2 WSP chips (VG-99: 3 WSP chips) provides for unbelievable processor reserves (per Ampmodell approx. the computing power of a whole GT-6 of multi-effect!), Amp models and effects are still more dynamically, Crunch sounds still more natural and finer in the speech. The sound quality is breath-robbing - a new generation of the Amp Modeling! The effect chain can run also parallel, the two strands can be mixed, switched, over-dazzled or by notice strength change/faded in (to ex.s Zerrer & Preamp on strand A, loud of tones gotten additionally Chorus & resound & echo of strand B)

hmm.. interesting, I had the same thoughts about the lack of an editor, doubt it'll be a problem with this one.

[gtrplyr]

Wunderbahr!!

[lp_bruce]

Interesting and cool. I've never had much use for a software editor either (I don't even have a MIDI cable).

Peace,

[TieDyedDevil]

ISTR that the big selling point for the GT-8 was the dual COSM processors. Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed that this meant dual DSP chips. Does anyone know anything about Roland's DSP technology? I'd like to assume that they've made some improvements in DSP horsepower since the GT-8, but it's all speculation at this point...

[pAtU]

"WSP is a 16Gbit memory solution that stacks eight 2Gb NAND chips and generates a much smaller multi-chip package (MCP), which is the current mainstream solution for designing miniaturized, high-capacity memory devices. Samsung’s eight-chip WSP prototype sample, which vertically stacks eight 50-micrometers, 2 gb NAND flash die, is 0.56 millimeters in height."

Source: http://ipcommunications.tmcnet.com/hot-topics/gateway/articles/962-samsungs-wsp-package-improves-performance.htm

[gone]

ISTR that the big selling point for the GT-8 was the dual COSM processors. Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed that this meant dual DSP chips. Does anyone know anything about Roland's DSP technology? I'd like to assume that they've made some improvements in DSP horsepower since the GT-8, but it's all speculation at this point...

It's all speculation unless you believe their claims that it is (or not?) new DSP technology on their part (or at least borrowed from their higher end units) coupled with the comments by Paul Hansen that the GT was "rebuilt from the ground up".

I don't believe everything I read but I'll trust my ears after (and only after) playing thru one. I actually believe the sonic difference is gonna be there and be a considerable improvement. The only thing that really plays on my mind a bit is the overall construction compared to the GT-8 and its predecessors. Hope I'm wrong on that one.

(That was a great article pAtU, read all of that one, didn't see you post till after I did-April 13, 2006..lot could've been done between then and now):)

[TieDyedDevil]

Yes, PAtU, thanks for the WSP article.

IIUC, they're talking about a 16 gigabit flash memory chip. That's 2 GB. And they're using two for total of 4GB of flash memory. Color me impressed.

[DeRigueur]

The Samsung WSP sounds to me like a form factor for memory modules. The Roland WSP is the "Prozessor", as in "3x WSP-Prozessor für mehr als doppelte Prozessorpower als beim Vorgänger VG-88" (for more than double the processor power of the previous vg-88).

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Did you guys even notice the date? April 13, 2006..

[DeRigueur]

I guess I didn't. Where is it?

OK, I see it on the Samsung page.

[mikevt]

Also they say they are so convinced of their new editing concept that you don't need a software editor. If you need one it's too complicated - make music instead of programming is their motto.

I find it rather odd that so many of you (and apparently Boss) seem to relate the need for an editor to programming complexity. My need for an editor has nothing to do with programming complexity at all. It has everything to do with being able to modify settings while working at my DAW - rather than constantly bending over to adjust them on the GT. Boss's position seems even more odd given the comments in the video about potential uses for the USB port.

Oh well...maybe that's why Boss seems to ignore us. I'm still waiting for a definitive answer, but it's sounding more and more like they'll be one more GT-10 available for the rest of you to buy because my interest is tanking. Boss just isn't listening.

Mike

[gtrplyr]

Did you guys even notice the date? April 13, 2006..


Which means that the technology in the GT-10 is definitely NOT a retread of the GT-8 as GT-8's DSP technology is older than that.

[gone]

I find it rather odd that so many of you (and apparently Boss) seem to relate the need for an editor to programming complexity. My need for an editor has nothing to do with programming complexity at all. It has everything to do with being able to modify settings while working at my DAW - rather than constantly bending over to adjust them on the GT. Boss's position seems even more odd given the comments in the video about potential uses for the USB port.

Oh well...maybe that's why Boss seems to ignore us. I'm still waiting for a definitive answer, but it's sounding more and more like they'll be one more GT-10 available for the rest of you to buy because my interest is tanking. Boss just isn't listening.

Mike

Not every dog eared working class musician that plays on the road or in the bars can conveniently use a computer (I still don't use one to record, prefer hardware) for everything. I think that's why they save that stuff for rack models (normally used in studios where PC's are dominant these days, but everyone wants a "studio" on stage now) and have the floor processors (more or less) dedicated to the musician that has to play and set up in the "here and now" (think stompbox) instead of the home or studio invironment. That line is getting pretty narrow now.

I actually think they are "listening" to the pros...and this isn't to say that you shouldn't expect anything less from a floor unit but I wonder how you'd feel if they only made it understandable (or practically usable) to recording engineers and their conveinances? I don't like bending over either to make adjustments but I try to get all that stuff straight before I even hit the first note on stage, and yes I do soundchecks.

They've been making equipment for musicians on both sides of the equation for years...maybe it's the musicians who don't choose wisely and they're trying to fill a void? Can't please everyone...if it was perfect it'd probably cost too much...you get the idea.

I sincerely do not want or intend the tone of my post to come off as harsh but I'm pretty sure it'll be taken that way by some...my apologies..to those it may offend...really, I'm a musician..not a technician.

"Experience is something you only get until just after you really need it"

Gem~

[Agent420]

For the lazy, like me ;)


BOSS:: GT-10 - Guitar Effects Processor & Preamp
[Information]
The new multi-effect flagship of BOSS!
BOSS proudly presents the successor to the GT-8: The brand new GT-10 is a revolutionary idea - EVERY guitarist, also a beginner or amateur players, should be 100% of extensive sounds & effects of its flagship fully exploit and set! The simple and fast operation concept of the GT-10 is revolutionary!
Additionally, the amp modeling and effects of the new, extreme computing power again significantly improved, and a dual pathway with free arrangement of the effects are incredible new sounds. New are e.g. Looper also a two-button control, USB audio / MIDI interface, etc.

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........

>> Revolutionary, extremely simple operating concept
>> Stark Sounds improved by extreme processor Power
>> Double pathway with completely new possibilities
>> Looper aboard
[The main features]
The operation and the setting of sound was extremely simplified
The large, bright, graphic display controller displays, symbols and effects Verschaltungen
The dialing button for the effects are like a chain effect, the four main lever to change the settings each effect immediately (like a pedal effect), are also ready presets per effect immediately available on display
The user selects different styles of music with sub-categories, in which the right Zerrer, amps and effects are already set, so you do not Röhrenamp or programming expert must be more!
The Zerrsound is simply in a cross set, the GT-10 hides itself from various Zerrer, amps, gain and equalizer settings into one another! Also echo and reverb in a crosshair set!
Many different starting sides of the display are available, depending on the preference of the user
BOSS is SO CONVINCED of this simple operating concept that there is NO editor software for the GT-10! If an editor is necessary, the device is too complicated - making music instead of programming is the motto!
2 WSP chips (VG-99: 3-chip WSP) provide incredible processor Reserves (per Ampmodell about the computing power of an entire GT-6 Multi-effect!), Amp models, and effects are still dynamic, crunch still sounds natural and fine in the speech. The sound quality is stunning - a new generation of Amp Modeling!
The effect can also chain parallel, the two strands can be mixed, switched, or by übergeblendet attack power switch / display (eg Zerrer & A preamp at Strang, loud sounds get additional Chorus & echo of Hall & B Strang)
BOSS Looper with 40 sec loop time and simple operation on board
13 effects blocks at the same time (the market), 400 memory locations (200 Preset/200 users)
USB audio / MIDI interface, customizable 2-foot-button control, Amp Switch jack loop
Extremely bright LEDs in the probes, even in sunlight visible


Idk... The lack of an editor seems like a ridiculous oversight to me, especially considering how easy it would have been to implement. I have to agree with Mikevt on this. If you're going to provide and advertise the usb direct recording abilities (replete with re-amping), you should really go the extra small step of providing an editor. Even Digitech's cheaper RP floor units have a decent editor - I've used them and find them excellent.

Regardless of how easy Boss may feel their new interface is, I'll take a full screen of all parameters over menus any day. Not to mention the lbrarian aspects. This new interface seems quite similar to the Digitech 1101 and even my AxeFx, both of which are very easy to use, yet benefit from an editor.


On the positive side, the new dsp technology seems promising. But the ear will be the ultimate judge.

[bemymonkey]

Which means that the technology in the GT-10 is definitely NOT a retread of the GT-8 as GT-8's DSP technology is older than that.

Actually, I find it hard to believe that the GT-10 uses two memory chips as its main processor ;)... The article is about Samsung's WSP memory chips, which probably have nothing at all to do with the GT-8.

The Roland WSP is a PROCESSOR, as opposed to the Samsung WSP, which is a memory chip.

[lp_bruce]

I find it rather odd that so many of you (and apparently Boss) seem to relate the need for an editor to programming complexity. My need for an editor has nothing to do with programming complexity at all. It has everything to do with being able to modify settings while working at my DAW - rather than constantly bending over to adjust them on the GT. Boss's position seems even more odd given the comments in the video about potential uses for the USB port.

Oh well...maybe that's why Boss seems to ignore us. I'm still waiting for a definitive answer, but it's sounding more and more like they'll be one more GT-10 available for the rest of you to buy because my interest is tanking. Boss just isn't listening.

Mike

While I have no use for a software editor--I've never had a problem editing the GT-8 manually--I completely agree that it seems like an oversight. As Agent420 points out, just about all of the comptetition, even some of the entry-level MFX, have editors. Very strange.

Peace,

[mwc2112]

The Roland WSP is a PROCESSOR, as opposed to the Samsung WSP, which is a memory chip.

Yeah, it sounds like it's a Roland proprietary processor (not sure about the 'W', but I'm sure the 'SP' probably just stands for 'Signal Processor'). In regards to the Samsung memory technology, it stands for 'Wafer Scale Packages' which is a process of using very thin (wafer-like) memory modules that are stacked on top of each other.

[mikevt]

Not every dog eared working class musician that plays on the road or in the bars can conveniently use a computer (I still don't use one to record, prefer hardware) for everything. I think that's why they save that stuff for rack models (normally used in studios where PC's are dominant these days, but everyone wants a "studio" on stage now) and have the floor processors (more or less) dedicated to the musician that has to play and set up in the "here and now" (think stompbox) instead of the home or studio invironment. That line is getting pretty narrow now.

I actually think they are "listening" to the pros...and this isn't to say that you shouldn't expect anything less from a floor unit but I wonder how you'd feel if they only made it understandable (or practically usable) to recording engineers and their conveinances? I don't like bending over either to make adjustments but I try to get all that stuff straight before I even hit the first note on stage, and yes I do soundchecks.

They've been making equipment for musicians on both sides of the equation for years...maybe it's the musicians who don't choose wisely and they're trying to fill a void? Can't please everyone...if it was perfect it'd probably cost too much...you get the idea.

I sincerely do not want or intend the tone of my post to come off as harsh but I'm pretty sure it'll be taken that way by some...my apologies..to those it may offend...really, I'm a musician..not a technician.

"Experience is something you only get until just after you really need it"

Gem~

Nah...that's ok. I didn't take it as harsh. I really can see both sides of it. What really kills me is that the are inches away from the ideal effects processor (in this price range). Since before I bought my GT6, I was looking for the perfect processor - one that could be used live on the floor, has great flexible effects, very programmable, and is easily usable as an effects plug in for re-amping. Every one else has an editor. Line 6 has a plug in, but both the Line 6 and Digitech products aren't as flexible. Boss is SOO close. They just don't seem to feel that it's important to take that one additional, small baby step and ultimately increase sales. I still think if they advertised that they were going to offer a free editor and free plug in capability, they'd stomp all over Line 6.

Mike

[Agent420]

If it's any consolation, I'd bet that some enterprising programmer fills the void.

Mike - just curious - are you in VT?

[DeRigueur]

yes, we're fortunate to have editor creators in our midst.

[lp_bruce]

If it's any consolation, I'd bet that some enterprising programmer fills the void.


My thoughts exactly. I have one of the editors on my laptop, and I have used it once in a while to see how a downloaded patch was constructed.

Peace,

[mikevt]

yes, we're fortunate to have editor creators in out midst.

That is true, but while Mr Sleepy's current editor looks really slick and he did a great job on it, I just find it less convenient to use than Nick's GT Manager. Unfortunately, GT Manager is crippled by it's horrible copy protection that requires that I constantly bug Nick for an update every time I change my hardware or network. I don't like having to rely on someone else to keep my existing setup running. I really want something supported by the manufacturer - and something that I can freely copy from machine to machine when I take my GT to other locations.

Mike

[mikevt]

If it's any consolation, I'd bet that some enterprising programmer fills the void.

Mike - just curious - are you in VT?

Yep....creative userid, eh? ;)

Mike

[pAtU]

"BOSS is SO CONVINCED of this simple operating concept that there is NO editor software for the GT-10! If an editor is necessary, the device is too complicated"

WHAT THE ****?!

I'm sending an email to boss today. I can't believe they are so stupid like this.

Cheers,
Leonardo

[DeRigueur]

Sorry things aren't going your way pAtU.

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and so it begins...again..:icon_lol:

[Lopp]

In regards to the Samsung memory technology, it stands for 'Wafer Scale Packages' which is a process of using very thin (wafer-like) memory modules that are stacked on top of each other.

Maitre D: And finally, monsieur, a wafer-thin mint.

Mr Creosote: No.

Maitre D: Oh sir! It's only a tiny little thin one.

Mr Creosote: No. F**k off - I'm full... [Belches]

Maitre D: Oh sir... it's only *wafer* thin.

Mr Creosote: Look - I couldn't eat another thing. I'm absolutely
stuffed. Bugger off.

Maitre D: Oh sir, just... just *one*...

[mikevt]

and so it begins...again..:icon_lol:

Hehe...not for me. I'm just not going to buy this one. :D

Mike

[Sprint]

Try to create a patch without an editor and see how good your back feels after bending over 50 times to manipulate the knobs. It's a floor pedal which means you basically have to sit on the floor to operate anything other than the pedal switches. An editor is essential for these things and not a complex task to develop. Boss is deficient in this area and should learn something from Line 6 or Digitech. But hey - who cares - someone will develop a freeware version soon enough.

Also - regarding the post that said "I'm a musician not a technician". Well - that's just more of a reason to have an editor that can be simplified by using a computer screen and not having to be squeezed onto a 2 by 3 inch lcd which complicates the process due to the lack of display real estate.

[pAtU]

Sprint, I don't think writing something to work via USB will be as simple as going through MIDI, hope I'm wrong.

You guys could help me out by sending emails to boss aswell, we should let them know we are not happy about their policies.

I'm complaining about the XLR, the phones jack, and the lack of an editor.

Go to www.bossus.com and send them an email.

Cheers,
Leonardo

[gone]

Try to create a patch without an editor and see how good your back feels after bending over 50 times to manipulate the knobs. It's a floor pedal which means you basically have to sit on the floor to operate anything other than the pedal switches. An editor is essential for these things and not a complex task to develop. Boss is deficient in this area and should learn something from Line 6 or Digitech. But hey - who cares - someone will develop a freeware version soon enough.

Also - regarding the post that said "I'm a musician not a technician". Well - that's just more of a reason to have an editor that can be simplified by using a computer screen and not having to be squeezed onto a 2 by 3 inch lcd which complicates the process due to the lack of display real estate.

How the hell did you people ever operate with stompboxes? Have you been digital all your life? Take yer friggin PC to a gig and climb off my ass.:)


Try to create a patch without an editor and see how good your back feels after bending over 50 times to manipulate the knobs.

Try what?, I've never created a patch with an editor...I can also remember how to change channels on a television without a remote control.

[pAtU]

No need to be so harsh guys, chill out.

I've sent the email to boss, let's see what they answer.

Cheers,
Leonardo

[mikevt]

Well guys, I'm off. Although I never really looked into this before, it looks like the GTPro can do reamping via USB. We also know it comes with an editor. I'll check in here now and then to see if anything has changed with respect to the GT-10, but I'm thinking that for what I want, the Pro may be a better option.

Mike

[Agent420]

Well guys, I'm off. Although I never really looked into this before, it looks like the GTPro can do reamping via USB. We also know it comes with an editor. I'll check in here now and then to see if anything has changed with respect to the GT-10, but I'm thinking that for what I want, the Pro may be a better option.


Good luck in your quest. I suggest you consider software modelers even moreso than hardware for that task. Imo Revalver MKII sounds even better than the GT.

[mikevt]

Good luck in your quest. I suggest you consider software modelers even moreso than hardware for that task. Imo Revalver MKII sounds even better than the GT.

I actually did think about that. I have some SE versions of Revalver and Amplitude, and have been looking at Gearbox and NI Guitar Rig. They all may sound great, but the one sticking point I still have is the copy protection schemes. I really hate the idea of spending hundreds of dollars only to be locked into some ultra complex copy protection scheme that constantly expires when I upgrade my hardware (which happens frequently). It REALLY bugs me that there's always a risk of my losing my money should a company fold, stop supporting a platform, etc. What if I want to move to Linux? At least with MOSTLY hardware based platforms, I can still use the darn thing, even if I lose some software functionality. As I said in another thread, the copy protection is the biggest reason I want to get away from GT Manager as well.

I'm tired of being treated like a criminal when I'm not one, and I don't want to support the revenue of companies that support this treatment. Call it principles I guess...

Mike

[Disasterxpieces]

How the hell did you people ever operate with stompboxes? Have you been digital all your life? Take yer friggin PC to a gig and climb off my ass.:)



Try what?, I've never created a patch with an editor...I can also remember how to change channels on a television without a remote control.

People seem to moan too much about these things, the trick is "put them on your amp while your tweaking" just tweak it on a table or something.

[gone]

People seem to moan too much about these things, the trick is "put them on your amp while your tweaking" just tweak it on a table or something.

Yup^^ when I have some "serious" tweaking to do I just set it in my lap.:icon12:

[amenity421]

I tweak on mine at my PC workstation. I like to tweak with a line from my SPDIF to my interface and a line to my amp. Killing 2 birds with one stone.
Besides thats how i record anyway and i have had sooooo many compliments on my tone because i blend the mics and direct.

[Disasterxpieces]

Yup^^ when I have some "serious" tweaking to do I just set it in my lap.:icon12:

Exactly.

Dialing in tones just using the gt's interface really isn't that bad either, I found it easier then getting out the midi cables and having to plug it all in.

[amenity421]

Dood, I fully agree. I downloaded the editors and decided i was better off being hands on. I think people should be ready to tweak on the fly (excluding people who only do home recording ETC.) and the editors although they ARE easier to use make it more difficult to use the menus on the interface when you have to.

[DeRigueur]

Yup^^ when I have some "serious" tweaking to do I just set it in my lap.:icon12:I usually use a chair, but with all the talk about how we should take the stairs instead of the elevator, maybe a little stooping will do the body some good.

[amenity421]

I agree. That is definitley necessary for me due to the fact that i need to start watching my girlish figure so when i do purchase a gt 10 i can actually woo it.

[gone]

I usually use a chair, but with all the talk about how we should take the stairs instead of the elevator, maybe a little stooping will do the body some good.

(lol) also don't forget about the GT-8's 2.8 second "looper" , you can throw something into it and tweak an FX parameter to your hearts content, and possibly a few others.

[Kassanova]

I hope this new "EZ edit" idea doesn't mean we will relinquish some control over our tone.
I am an engineer and I don't mind tweaking as needed. I just hope they allow fully capabilities and we aren't restricted to a more limited set of parameters. That would be a "no sale" point for me.

[mwc2112]

I think in one of the video it references it as 'in addition to normal editing' or something like that. Regardless, I don't think they would eliminate the deep editing capabilities... that's one of the things that was so great about the GT8. I think they just added it to make it easier for quick patch creation and newbies.

[OvrWownd]

I hope this new "EZ edit" idea doesn't mean we will relinquish some control over our tone.
I am an engineer and I don't mind tweaking as needed. I just hope they allow fully capabilities and we aren't restricted to a more limited set of parameters. That would be a "no sale" point for me.

I'm with you there. I like going deep ;). The GT3 was my first multi-fx unit. It had ez edit function as well but the 10's looks easier to use. By the time I purchased that unit it had been out awhile and there were so many great patch makers sharing their work I never used the ez edit. If I get the 10 it will likely be later than sooner and there will likely be lots of patches to test out so I probably won't be using the ez function much on it either.

[JackOS1971]

Is it just me, or does every GT-10 thread end up being transformed into an argument over the need for a software editor?

[gone]

Is it just me, or does every GT-10 thread end up being transformed into an argument over the need for a software editor?

it's just you:smile:



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[sir]

Everytime I open my X-edit to edit the program on my GNX3000, I will feel how silly to do the tweaking with the knobs on the GNX3000. So I just can't understand why there is no software editor provided for the GT-10. Or does imply the GT-pro II, which will include a dedicated editor, will be available in the market soon?

[Kewlpack]

Man - I REALLY think we need a GT10 editor!!!

No we don't... this thing will be a piece of cake! Who needs a silly editor?

Listen dude - I don't know what your problem is, but I NEED and editor.

LOL, ROFL, FWIW, you are such a n00b loozer.


(Sorry - I hate it when I argue with myself about editors!) :)

[mikevt]

Geez. Now I kinda hope that Boss ISN'T reading this forum. Many of us STRONGLY feel that an editor is a basic requirement. The way some of you fight back about it almost makes it sound like you are strongly against it. In reality, having one wouldn't hurt you even if you never used it. I suspect this is true of the competition as well - some want the editor, some don't use it.

Rather than argue about it, why can't we send Boss ONE message? What's wrong with that message being that Boss needs to provide an editor?

Mike

[zapposharkfin]

I certainly need an editor.. ..or at least a librarian.

I do not need the editor that much for setting the parameters within one patch

I need it to handle lots of patches at once, to back-up, to order patches, to quickly replace the whole bundle by what the next gigs needs, to try out patches others have made, to experiment, to keep assign schemes consistent and to adapt them and other settings like midi controls to a all of my patches or adapt other changes or usage patterns I might have - like move the resonator to always be in FX-1 instead of 'which one happened to be free at the time' slot or to make changes to the effects chains due to a new equipment in the loop or whatsoever. I want an editor, for tons of reasons. :-)

I do not think I will miss miss all the pots GT-8 had; I do not tweak while playing live, do not have the time for that. I've been on the Boss train since GT-3 and been happy to deep edit with the flywheel. Which GT-10 no more has, gone gone gone :-(

I just hope Boss does not copy Line6 too much - anyone who has been using the Line6 POD X3 Live pots for editing should know what I mean - buttons without acceleration/turn speed sensitivity are pain in the rear when you have lots of items to go throgh (like L6 amp models selction, or when giving a name to a patch...). And 4 pots with more than 4 items to edit equals hopping back and forth from the arrow keys to pots.. ..not really that elegant.

Saying that the two dimensional grid would replace the need for a full scale editor, is IMHO, not only ignorant but ridiculous as well as unforgivable.. .. come on, for some it may be of some value, but I would change it to an editor any second without hesitating at all.

I think they needed the Grid just to be able to launch the product with something new and 'flashy' :-)

Boss needs new marketing people - just look how GT-10 was launched; poor launch material, no manuals, no brochures, different web sites all around the world have somewhat different info (some less and some even less), no sound samples, amateur class video, info about connector types, no info about the actual modelled equipment or changes / comparision to GT-8 etc.

Time to cool down and go play with my toys..

[Kewlpack]

For the record: My little post above was a joke... I love editors if they are done right.

No I wasn't...

Yes I was!

Urgh...

[gone]

Never seems to be an "arguement" till someone deems it one. I could care less if it ever gets an editor but if it does ..great..they're fun to look at, doubt it'll come from Boss tho, look how many times they were petitioned a few years ago when the GT-8 came out. I understand that some people rely heavily upon computers (fine and well) but I'll be satisfied with an easy to use board that sounds great.

Hey Kewl..do you always lose your own arguements?:icon_lol:

[Kewlpack]

Hey Kewl..do you always lose your own arguements?:icon_lol:
You have NO idea... :horns:

[Newysurfer]

Very easy solution for all this - Boss should just do both.

Provide deep editing for those who prefer that PLUS an editor for the PC based brains. A patch editor is also a great learning tool.

Me - I use both - but the lack of an editor supplied by Boss wasn't an issue for the GT8 cause two of our fine members made Mr Sleepy and GT Manager. They work just fine so really guys - what's the issue ?? :smile:

[Disasterxpieces]

Boss shouldn't have to make an editor, they have already redone the interface to make it easier and really are we guitarists or what? Including one would only increase the price and when it isn't a requirement and the interface has had such a face lift I don't see the point, yeah they are fun to look at but the novelty wears off.

[lp_bruce]

Boss shouldn't have to make an editor, they have already redone the interface to make it easier and really are we guitarists or what? Including one would only increase the price and when it isn't a requirement and the interface has had such a face lift I don't see the point, yeah they are fun to look at but the novelty wears off.

Even though I don't use an editor, I disagree. The cost of an editor would be, honestly, negligible. It's essentially a simple database, and they've already set down the ground work with some of their other hardware.

Peace,

[mikevt]

I guess I'm beating a dead horse. I've already mentioned why we need an editor - not all of us are gigging guitarists. I've also mentioned the shortcomings of Mr. Sleepy's editor and GT Manager. They are both fine pieces of software, but they each lack in certain areas - not to mention that it takes a long time to get them updated when a new GT unit is announced because Boss doesn't readily release the midi implementation.

The bottom line is that Boss has lost my business over this (after buying both a GT6 and a GT8). Heck...even my cheapo Behringer V-Amp 2 has great editing/librarian software! If there are more people that feel the same, Boss is only hurting themselves. Line 6, Digitech, and the others will gladly take our business.

Mike

[lp_bruce]

I guess I'm beating a dead horse. I've already mentioned why we need an editor - not all of us are gigging guitarists. I've also mentioned the shortcomings of Mr. Sleepy's editor and GT Manager. They are both fine pieces of software, but they each lack in certain areas - not to mention that it takes a long time to get them updated when a new GT unit is announced because Boss doesn't readily release the midi implementation.

The bottom line is that Boss has lost my business over this (after buying both a GT6 and a GT8). Heck...even my cheapo Behringer V-Amp 2 has great editing/librarian software! If there are more people that feel the same, Boss is only hurting themselves. Line 6, Digitech, and the others will gladly take our business.

Mike

I think it's evident that Boss is targeting the gigging musician with the GT-series. While that may be a good strategy, and in line with their overall corporate goals, it doesn't mean you should eliminate other interested consumers (those who play at home, record, etc.). And as I said, an editor is a relatively simple program, and they've already got the technology availible on hand. Providing one is really nickels and dimes.

Peace,

[Newysurfer]

Boss shouldn't have to make an editor, they have already redone the interface to make it easier and really are we guitarists or what? Including one would only increase the price and when it isn't a requirement and the interface has had such a face lift I don't see the point, yeah they are fun to look at but the novelty wears off.

Yeah Disaster - supposedly they have re-designed the interface. But is it any good ?? The GT-8 has it's "easy user settings" too. Is the whole unit an improvement on the GT-8 overall? No-one knows at this stage.

We'll only know for sure about 6 months after its been released and heaps of reviews have come thru. Some people here are assuming it's gonna be a big leap forward. I really hope it is too but I certainly don't assume or expect it will be. Until then it's all mere speculation :smile:

[gone]

We could be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here in that we don't know for a fact that Boss won't release an editor in the near future and it still remains to be seen if there's a simple way to archive to a computer via the USB port or whatever.

I'd find it hard to accept that they haven't considered that patches are traded and archived as they have been in the past. I'm prepared to be as surprised as anyone else, but there again , where there's a need, there's usually a way (or someone) that some of the great people here on this forum could come up with an adequate solution to onscreen programming and librarian functions. We'll just have to wait and see.

[mwc2112]

it still remains to be seen if there's a simple way to archive to a computer via the USB port or whatever.

Well, it's easy enough to do that without an editor (assuming it has the same functionality as the GT8). The MIDI functions allow you to transmit one, some, or all of your patches as SYSEX messages. As long as you have a program on your PC (like the free MIDI-OX) that can receive it, then you can easily back up your unit.

An editor would be nice, but IMO not necessary. Really, is there anything you can do with an editor that you can't do on the unit itself? I've used all the GT8 editors and, while they are nice, they don't give any extra functionality to the GT8 itself.

[gone]

they don't give any extra functionality to the GT8 itself.

good point..

[Kewlpack]

I am just one of those folks who lives and breathes computers 24x7 (especially so now that I work from home)... having an MFX editor fits with the way I do things so well, and it's fun. I don't like having to sit on the floor or stay bent over to tweak things out. My old back and legs can't take too much of that!

However, since one of my computers died just a few days ago (the one my family uses), my GT plans are probably going to be thrown to the side of the road indefinitely. Reallocation of funds is gonna happen. Thppt!

[mwc2112]

I don't like having to sit on the floor or stay bent over to tweak things out. My old back and legs can't take too much of that!

Just use your cane to press the buttons. ;-)

[Kewlpack]

ROFL... Ohh... my back!

[OvrWownd]

I've used all the GT8 editors and, while they are nice, they don't give any extra functionality to the GT8 itself.


Have you used this one and in your opinion which editor do you like best.

http://gtx.tinfoilmusic.net/GT8-download.html

[strato1983]

Food-For-Thought - Editors also work as an off-stage tool for remote switching and FX changing. I would also see the EZ-tone (x-y-z tone window) as being more flexible in an editor. Dialing to get tone coordinates looks like it might be a little awkward from the floor model.

[mwc2112]

Have you used this one and in your opinion which editor do you like best.

http://gtx.tinfoilmusic.net/GT8-download.html

I don't think that one is complete yet. The beta one I tried was pretty good... if they get all the functionality finished (in particular assigns and custom settings). But, it might be done by now, I haven't looked at it in a long time.

[OvrWownd]

MWC:

So which editor would you recommend for the GT8?

[mwc2112]

I kind of like the GT Master (although MrSleepy's is a close 2nd).

[OvrWownd]

No honourable mention for the GT Manager from partheus at all? I used the demo version when I had my GT 3 and thought it wasn't to bad.

[Kewlpack]

I never could get used to GT Manager... and you have to pay for it... I always always always always went back to MrSleepy's Editor. ;)